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Mëtal Bikër said:
Just snidey shit, usually.

It's a football forum.

disclaimer: another joke. don't take this shit so seriously.
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No th efirst three forums are football forums, this is an off topic sub forum, which tbf is a pain in the arse a lot of the time.


I enjoy it though and hinestly hardly post o nthe football stuff as it is fulll of reactionary idiots at times, this place actually seems sensible compared to that.

.Disclaimer dislaimers are only visible.in ultra viotet ;-)
 
urban genie said:
No th efirst three forums are football forums, this is an off topic sub forum, which tbf is a pain in the arse a lot of the time.


I enjoy it though and hinestly hardly post o nthe football stuff as it is fulll of reactionary idiots at times, this place actually seems sensible compared to that.

Dislairern dislaimers are only visible.in ultra viotet ;-)
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You should re-read my post, it's been the HIGHLIGHT of my day ;)
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
You should re-read my post, it's been the HIGHLIGHT of my day ;)
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I did, but to fair I am now deciding should I get another beer in the belvedere or head to goodison and drink in the shitholes round there and my battery is 20% which in the modern world is a crisis ;-)
 
urban genie said:
I did, but to fair I am now deciding should I get another beer in the belvedere or head to goodison and drink in the shitholes round there and my battery is 20% which in the modern world is a crisis ;-)
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Lack of wifi/internet access in the modern world is a violation of human rights. I had no idea you were suffering... I apologise for my rashness. ;)

You should get one of those portable phone chargers. Or nick someone's outlet.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
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Lack of wifi/internet access in the modern world is a violation of human rights. I had no idea you were suffering... I apologise for my rashness. ;)

You should get one of those portable phone chargers. Or nick someone's outlet.
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Mate I am in the ye.olde.crack in lverpoool atm and so the only infringments to my human rights today are listnning to scouse cunts all day
 
jay_mcfc said:
Possibly. But I see and hear about the misery uc has caused people these past couple of years. If those same people that have been affected by it then vote Tory then what can you do?!
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so people who are leave supporters and that have struggled on UC should just vote for labour ??? brexit is a lot bigger and more important for most people the struggles of universal credit.

as someone who was on universal for the best part of a year and had lots of problems with it, id rather vote the tories to ensure we get brexit done tbh. even if they do get rid of uc, are you honestly telling me the next system wouldnt have any problems either ?? or all of sudden everything would be better.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
so people who are leave supporters and that have struggled on UC should just vote for labour ??? brexit is a lot bigger and more important for most people the struggles of universal credit.

as someone who was on universal for the best part of a year and had lots of problems with it, id rather vote the tories to ensure we get brexit done tbh
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With the ERG and Johnson in charge you certainly won’t need to worry about UC for much longer...
Just out of interest, should Brexit prove to be very difficult, from an economic and financial point of view, who do you think will end up paying? Spoiler: the exact same ones who paid for 9 years of austerity but it’ll be a bit harder!
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
With the ERG and Johnson in charge you certainly won’t need to worry about UC for much longer...
Just out of interest, should Brexit prove to be very difficult, from an economic and financial point of view, who do you think will end up paying? Spoiler: the exact same ones who paid for 9 years of austerity but it’ll be a bit harder!
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The problem you have - is that you will be basically telling this to people who already dont have much and are already struggling. brexit is about more then economics swell.

id also say scare tactics and tales of financial woes dont work with most people
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
The problem you have - is that you will be basically telling this to people who already dont have much and are already struggling. brexit is about more then economics swell.

id also say scare tactics and tales of financial woes dont work with most people
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And that’s absolutely fair enough. Where I struggle is when people pretend it’s going to be some economic paradise. If you don’t give a toss about the economics, good on you.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
And that’s absolutely fair enough. Where I struggle is when people pretend it’s going to be some economic paradise. If you don’t give a toss about the economics, good on you.
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and good on you, that you only seem to care about the economics and no other factors. as someone who struggled on universal and credit and with my finances, its just not the most important factor for me with brexit -it never has been.

i haven't seen many leavers say it would be an economic paradise either . the biggest arguments for leaving during the referendum where about democracy and control from what i remember. two arguments in particular that are popular and win support.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
and good on you, that you only seem to care about the economics and no other factors. as someone who struggling on universal and credit and with my finances, its just not the most important factor for me with brexit -it never has been.

i haven't seen many leavers say it would be an economic paradise either . the biggest arguments for leaving during the referendum where about democracy and control from what i remember. two arguments in particular that are popular and win support.
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Democracy and control? Interesting what you think we are going to get back in terms of democracy and control and what noticeable difference you think it will make to your life? I’m only asking because I’m genuinely interested.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
so people who are leave supporters and that have struggled on UC should just vote for labour ??? brexit is a lot bigger and more important for most people the struggles of universal credit.

as someone who was on universal for the best part of a year and had lots of problems with it, id rather vote the tories to ensure we get brexit done tbh. even if they do get rid of uc, are you honestly telling me the next system wouldnt have any problems either ?? or all of sudden everything would be better.
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That's just it though. 130,000 deaths linked to austerity and a big factor in that are UC and pip. They have been taking from the poor and vulnerable for ten years. Brexit isn't as important as life or death. If you've been screwed over by UC like hundreds of thousands have the most important thing in your life right now is that the welfare system is changed in the UK.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
so people who are leave supporters and that have struggled on UC should just vote for labour ??? brexit is a lot bigger and more important for most people the struggles of universal credit.

as someone who was on universal for the best part of a year and had lots of problems with it, id rather vote the tories to ensure we get brexit done tbh. even if they do get rid of uc, are you honestly telling me the next system wouldnt have any problems either ?? or all of sudden everything would be better.
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If Brexit dominates your thinking, then by all means vote for whoever you think will deliver it.

I happen to think Brexit is not a major issue, because I cant eat Brexit.
 
jay_mcfc said:
That's just it though. 130,000 deaths linked to austerity and a big factor in that are UC and pip. They have been taking from the poor and vulnerable for ten years. Brexit isn't as important as life or death. If you've been screwed over by UC like hundreds of thousands have the most important thing in your life right now is that the welfare system is changed in the UK.
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i think thats a separate point though mate. its not either or. i think we should leave the eu and the benefits system can change swell. government/higher ups have been taking money from the poor for years now and i can't see that changing. if what you were saying was true, why was it most lower income areas voted to leave ? there must be a reason why so many like that voted to leave.

i was sanctioned for 4 months on universal credit, for f all and completley agree that it needs changing.
 
Rascal said:
If Brexit dominates your thinking, then by all means vote for whoever you think will deliver it.

I happen to think Brexit is not a major issue, because I cant eat Brexit.
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fair enough. thats your view. Obviously theres a few other issues that will be a factor, but brexit is the dominant issue for me and many others. mary robinson mp is not exactly great though
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
fair enough. thats your view. Obviously theres a few other issues that will be a factor, but brexit is the dominant issue for me and many others. mary robinson mp is not exactly great though
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I understand that, by skilful manipulation an issue that didn't register in the top 10 of voters concerns before Cameron included the promise of one in his manifesto is now all pervasive.

As a Socialist Brexit is something I should support, and I do ; but the threat of Brexit under Johnson influenced by the ERG crackpots makes me fearful. That puts me in a classic no win scenario. Remain and we stay linked to the neo-liberal bullshit of the EU, leave and we get more of the neo-liberal bullshit under Johnson and his cronies. The only way we can have Socialism is by leaving and I think Corbyn has been rather clever in his attempts to pull the Overton window leftwards because that will make the more neo liberalism of Johnson the ERG crackpots harder to deliver. It may save the country from an epic outbreak of Disaster Capitalism. I can live with that, because the hope of a Socialist future will still be on the table.
 
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