The Labour Party

Chippy_boy said:
You do need to do that, agreed.

And in saying that, you must have surely realised when you typed it, that as it stands, voters are not convinced. Or they would not need convincing.

Standards of living in this country for the vast majority of people have been steadily rising for the past 70 years. People have transitioned largely from mass employment in unskilled and low skilled jobs into higher skilled, more highly paid jobs. Most households now own a car, or two, where in the 60's, hardly anyone did. We have Samsung Galaxies and iPhones and watch TV or our 50" flat screen TVs, not the 12" round thing in the corner. People have aspirations now, when previously they did not.

Labour are selling a vision of nationalisation, state ownership and state interference with our lives, that people no longer want. Hard left Labour support exists only in pockets, in inner cities and in areas of lowest wealth and greatest deprivation. And these areas are becoming fewer, and fewer and fewer. What was once a dump is now "up and coming''.

Labour will remain in opposition forever unless and until they grasp this. You've lost the argument, Rascal. You are selling something we don't want.
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We will see of course.
 
George Hannah said:
Latest polling has Labour in third place behind the Lib Dems, BoJo still bouncing the Tories - up to 38%.
What an indictment of a once great political party and those throwbacks who have captured it.
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Throwbacks is no way to describe Fumble and Rascal.
 
M18CTID said:
Although it's an easy trap to fall into, it's not always advisable to judge someone based on what bollocks they post on the internet and having met WW briefly the other week at the BM meet up in town prior to Vinny's testimonial, he seems a rather pleasant bloke. Maybe the same is true of you too.
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I've never quite got this "I've met someone on a pissup and they are a sound bloke"

How the hell can anyone determine that from having a few pints with someone.

That's just not aimed at WW basically anyone.
 
The blue phantom said:
I've never quite got this "I've met someone on a pissup and they are a sound bloke"

How the hell can anyone determine that from having a few pints with someone.

That's just not aimed at WW basically anyone.
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It's a better gauge than a few posts on an internet forum mate.
 
urban genie said:
Cameron infested all lebels of the bbc with tory or ex tory people.

Of bbc news main political faces the following have either been members, afiliates, employees or voters of the conservatives

Andrew Neil
Nick Robinson
Fiona Bruce
Emily Matis
Jerremy Paxman
Laura Kuensberg.
Jeremy vine.

Several editors of bbc news are ex tory and the one non tory is margaret hodges sister or duaghter.

Hardly stacked in Labours favour atm.


Add to that the bbc didn't handle the 24hr news roll out well and went from 3 news programes a day to trying to fill the airtime amd compete with sky ratings wise, what hey found was adissafected tory blowhard with a hard on for getting out of europe and suddenly this man everyone laughed at was getting multiple interviews to fill time and a subject no one cared about became a national obsession.

That crank was farage
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I'm aware of Andrew Neil and Nick Robinson's former connections with Tories but what about the others?
 
urban genie said:
Bruce, paxman, vine are all self confessed tory voters, matis and kuensberg are said to be too
Why? Do you doubt me?
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do you mean Johnny Mathis?
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and Laura is just in love with Boris
 
jay_mcfc said:
Cracking fella is McDonell. Just hope we get to see him and JC in charge one day.

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/john-mcdonnell-brexit-interview-2019
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Campbell and McDonnell seem to have come to the same conclusion as me, whilst watching Rise of the Nazis-

AC: When I interviewed Tony [Blair] for GQwe had this argument about whether we are reliving a version of the Thirties. Do you think we are?

JM: That is interesting. Have you seen the BBC documentary on the rise of the Nazis?

AC: Yes.

JM: I bumped into one of the young men who edited that and he said to me, “When we were doing this as a historical documentary of interest, people started thinking, ‘My God! Look around us! There are similarities.’” You can't argue that these are the same as the Thirties, but I understand where you’re coming from because it is about this unleashing of forces that you lose control of and can take a dangerous strait. Harold Laski at the end of the Second World War was the chair of the Labour Party – Marxist I think, actually – he said fascism in this country won’t come through a dictator in uniform with medals all over his chest marching about. The danger is conservative authoritarianism where there is an erosion of all those rights, rules, regulations, institutions that protect our democracy and I think that is the fear that we have.
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I think he comes across well in this. I think he generally does tbh. It's his more extreme statements in the past that are the issue.
 
McDonnell twice tried to get on the ballot for the 07 and 10 leadership election and fell short in nominations and when Milliband stood down decided that he wouldn't again but convinced Jeremy to do so instead and was influential in getting him the numbers to get in the ballot.

There are times I think it would have been better had it been Mcdonnell, who is more experienced in public office from his GLC days and also less likely to shy away from dealing with the controversies jezza has and stand up to the idiots in the PLP.
 
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