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The Labour Party
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blueinsa
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Cracking fella is McDonell. Just hope we get to see him and JC in charge one day.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/john-mcdonnell-brexit-interview-2019
It's almost religious cult stuff.
jay_mcfc
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Who you going for next leader? My first choice would be Starmer but if he didn't want it I'd be happy with Rayner or Pidcock. I think Starmer would be the best for media representation and he's probably the one guy that could unite the party. Just not sure if he'd end up taking the party too far back to the centre.
jay_mcfc
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It's almost religious cult stuff.
Except the 'cult' as you call them have lambasted this interview. Try again.
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worsleyweb
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I am off to do some leafleting for my beloved Labour Party.
Keep the faith my fellow Socialists, our day is coming :)
Yes in about two months boris is going to get a huge majority and your party will have no choice but to move back more centre.
urban genie
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As an Irish descent lapsed catholic with socilaist beliefs I can relate to this interview, and think it was a very good honest chat between two polar opposite of the labour movement.
If our main broadcasters conducted such open, honest and adult interviews like this rather than clickbait seeking rabib badgering where no clear message comes along and panders to the populist blustering bullshiters politics might be in a better place.
Rascal
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Who you going for next leader? My first choice would be Starmer but if he didn't want it I'd be happy with Rayner or Pidcock. I think Starmer would be the best for media representation and he's probably the one guy that could unite the party. Just not sure if he'd end up taking the party too far back to the centre.
I like Rebecca Long-Bailey. I also like Lisa Nandy but she is probably a bit too right wing for me but I would back her of course. I think we do need a female leader at some point. Angela Rayner I could live with and Emily Thornberry and Pidcock. I actually think we have a lot of talent and Jeremy has to be given credit for giving them space to grow. The old guard have been removed slowly. Starmer would be ok, and I like Anthony Gwynne.
A bit controversial here, but I also like Mary Lou Mcdonald and Michelle O'Neill from Sinn Fein, they are both formidable politicians and left wing. Its a shame we will never see them in Parliament.
Rascal
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As an Irish descent lapsed catholic with socilaist beliefs I can relate to this interview, and think it was a very good honest chat between two polar opposite of the labour movement.
If our main broadcasters conducted such open, honest and adult interviews like this rather than clickbait seeking rabib badgering where no clear message comes along and panders to the populist blustering bullshiters politics might be in a better place.
Spot on pal. Despite their differences they were both honest and cordial and both looked to enjoy their exchange of views and dare I say it respected each other.
Spot on pal. Despite their differences they were both honest and cordial and both looked to enjoy their exchange of views and dare I say it respected each other.
It’s a very good interview and despite the fact I don’t always agree with McDonnell, he speaks very well every time.
He doesn’t ever dodge questions and will tackle every point head on, without losing his temper or becoming defensive.
He’s the stark opposite of Johnson in that regard.
You could live with Angela Rayner, you fucking pervert.I like Rebecca Long-Bailey. I also like Lisa Nandy but she is probably a bit too right wing for me but I would back her of course. I think we do need a female leader at some point. Angela Rayner I could live with and Emily Thornberry and Pidcock. I actually think we have a lot of talent and Jeremy has to be given credit for giving them space to grow. The old guard have been removed slowly. Starmer would be ok, and I like Anthony Gwynne.
A bit controversial here, but I also like Mary Lou Mcdonald and Michelle O'Neill from Sinn Fein, they are both formidable politicians and left wing. Its a shame we will never see them in Parliament.
Rascal
El Presidente
Yes in about two months boris is going to get a huge majority and your party will have no choice but to move back more centre.
The Labour Party has thousands of members like me who are willing to do their bit for the party, the Tory party has nothing like us.
We have strength in our convictions and are prepared to back them up by getting out there in the rain and cold to try and persuade people that a Labour government is in their best interests.
The Tories rely on the propaganda from the Sun and the Mail. We never see a Tory on our estate, they don't bother with us, so if my leafleting gets 10 people out to vote and everybody else gets 10 out to vote Labour then you might be in for a shock.
Rascal
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You could live with Angela Rayner, you fucking pervert.
That is not very nice.
Perhaps a little decorum may be in order and maybe not taking things quite so literal.
urban genie
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Will be interesting if labour do lose and Jezza steps down.
Obviously the left have high hopes for one of the younger let leaning MPs to succeed him but under the rules it won't be that simple
Realistically there will only be one or two left wingersin any leadership battle as the MPs nominate and need 35 each and could see thornbery getting them while the others (pidcock, Long-bailey, raynor) may have to decide between them which one stands.
I reckon next time you will see
Starmer
Thornbery
One of RLB, LP or AR
Cooper again or possibly creasey
Clive lewis
Benn
And of them I can see only three I would consider.
Who jeremy endorses will be a factor for some members.
Obviously the left have high hopes for one of the younger let leaning MPs to succeed him but under the rules it won't be that simple
Realistically there will only be one or two left wingersin any leadership battle as the MPs nominate and need 35 each and could see thornbery getting them while the others (pidcock, Long-bailey, raynor) may have to decide between them which one stands.
I reckon next time you will see
Starmer
Thornbery
One of RLB, LP or AR
Cooper again or possibly creasey
Clive lewis
Benn
And of them I can see only three I would consider.
Who jeremy endorses will be a factor for some members.
urban genie
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Can we not get the thread locked/removed because of personal arguements.
Let's just talk about labour
The Politics sub forum has been failry civilized the last week (well bar the trump thread but only cranks and yanks post in there)
Let's just talk about labour
The Politics sub forum has been failry civilized the last week (well bar the trump thread but only cranks and yanks post in there)
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McDonnell says the party are actively planning for the next leader to be female. Within 24 hours Rupert Murdoch's mates is being promoted to do it.
I’m currently part way through ‘Broken Vows’ the devastatingly critical biography of Blair and New Labour, which I found important to read as I have a long support of that government, as many of you will know and I love to challenge my own beliefs.
One thing I’ve taken away is that Gordon Brown was a petulant and bitter old grump, even in the early days. He never got over Blair once promising him, in the early 90’s, that he’d let Brown “go first” for leader but later changed his mind.
He was letting it affect him almost a decade later and was incredibly unhelpful from the beginning of their government, despite obviously having great ability.
What also surprised me was how vulnerable they were even before Iraq. The government doesn’t have nearly the stability that people realise.
The need to get the media onside is the only way of stopping your movement becoming terminal.
I think it just goes to show that even though I disagree with McDonnell, he’s an entirely reasonable man and a great speaker. The majority of Brits think he’s a communist loon who wants to get rid of the Queen and turn us into the Soviet Union though, due to the media.
One thing I’ve taken away is that Gordon Brown was a petulant and bitter old grump, even in the early days. He never got over Blair once promising him, in the early 90’s, that he’d let Brown “go first” for leader but later changed his mind.
He was letting it affect him almost a decade later and was incredibly unhelpful from the beginning of their government, despite obviously having great ability.
What also surprised me was how vulnerable they were even before Iraq. The government doesn’t have nearly the stability that people realise.
The need to get the media onside is the only way of stopping your movement becoming terminal.
I think it just goes to show that even though I disagree with McDonnell, he’s an entirely reasonable man and a great speaker. The majority of Brits think he’s a communist loon who wants to get rid of the Queen and turn us into the Soviet Union though, due to the media.
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I have clear recollection that after the honeymoon first few years for Blair, Europe as an issue was reading it's ugly head and showing new labour to be just as divided as the Tories before them by mid 2001. 9/11 was virtually a welcome distraction from that for Blair.I’m currently part way through ‘Broken Vows’ the devastatingly critical biography of Blair and New Labour, which I found important to read as I have a long support of that government, as many of you will know and I love to challenge my own beliefs.
One thing I’ve taken away is that Gordon Brown was a petulant and bitter old grump, even in the early days. He never got over Blair once promising him, in the early 90’s, that he’d let Brown “go first” for leader but later changed his mind.
He was letting it affect him almost a decade later and was incredibly unhelpful from the beginning of their government, despite obviously having great ability.
What also surprised me was how vulnerable they were even before Iraq. The government doesn’t have nearly the stability that people realise.
The need to get the media onside is the only way of stopping your movement becoming terminal.
I think it just goes to show that even though I disagree with McDonnell, he’s an entirely reasonable man and a great speaker. The majority of Brits think he’s a communist loon who wants to get rid of the Queen and turn us into the Soviet Union though, due to the media.
I have clear recollection that after the honeymoon first few years for Blair, Europe as an issue was reading it's ugly head and showing new labour to be just as divided as the Tories before them by mid 2001. 9/11 was virtually a welcome distraction from that for Blair.
The only divide was on joining the Euro between Blair and Brown and that was just Brown wanting to show Blair up by supporting the opposite as him. The party was unanimously pro EU.
M18CTID
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Have some posts been deleted? ;)
Rascal
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Possibly.Have some posts been deleted? ;)
I think Ric should swop oon for ail. :))