The Labour Party

Blue Hefner said:
Did he explain the support the Tories(the actual government) for 9 years have given the serviceman and women?
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I think giving little support was considered a bonus compared with giving no support whatsoever.
In my opinion, the Tory parties win was very much because the alternative was a complete and utter disaster.
 
Blue Hefner said:
They don’t seem particularly like bad things. I know a ‘working class’ WASPI women for example and I’m pretty sure a lot of minorities fall into the working class

Free internet is absurd and not credible that is what makes me think there was more to it than the headline, although I think I was away at the time so didn’t read much about it

Regards free student fees, that’s not that radicle, they do it in Scotland and would surely help those from a working class background get into University rather than be scared off by the ‘debt’

I agree with your last bit. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who could string a sentence together should have been able to win the GE but seen as though they didn’t I think someone like Starmer would be good. He might not even take them into the next GE but I think he will give some credibility back - he at least looks like he belongs there whereas Corbyn, Long-Bailey, Burgedon and the like all seem hopelessly out of their depth
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A couple of points about Labour's WASPI policy...

It was plucked out of thin air with no indication of how they would find the 59bn to pay for it.

If women had been given backdated pensions to the age of 60 then men like me would have to have been compensated too. As I've commented on the WASPI thread the precedent has already been set. A few years back my state retirement age was increased from 65 to 66. After an outcry from affected women it was changed to a phased SRA depending on what year and month you were born. Mine was reduced by almost six months to be the same as women my age.

Tomorrow is my SRA actually so I will be getting that plus a company pension and I'm still working :)
 
Blue Hefner said:
Maybe it should have been. But it doesn’t take much imagination to envisage the headline “Labour don’t want to stop at WASPI, they want to reform the lot - where will the money come from?!” Or “Labour scheme you change ALL pensions...”

Not withstanding my headline writing needs practice, they couldn’t really win in the campaign. Partly because print media in this country and partly(maybe mainly) the leader couldn’t articulate a vision but nor was he ever really taking a positive and credible vision

He spoke about how bad things are rather than promote hope. No one wants to be seen as a victim, they want to see themselves as potentially doing alright one day.....
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I voted Labour this time round but if they don't shift the leaderships direction I wont vote for them again. Sorry for going on about WASPI but it was just wrong and the electorate thought so too. Great point about hope though bud and i agree with you 100%. I voted for them because I would have liked to have seen what they would have done in power rather than sniping from opposition.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I think giving little support was considered a bonus compared with giving no support whatsoever.
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Estimated 25000 ex servicemen on the streets 9700 in the prison system, many because of cuts in support mechanisms since 2010 and changes to assesing fitness to work and benefits for those with PTSD and other post service conditions.

Don't think labour can be blamed for the last 10 years and the neglect for care for ex soldiers.

2005 -2010 is certainly down to new labour as they were in government and did little to aid those returning from the gulf.


It would be hard to blame one without equally blaming the other, as both parties have failed the armed forces ex personel
 
Blue Hefner said:
Maybe it should have been. But it doesn’t take much imagination to envisage the headline “Labour don’t want to stop at WASPI, they want to reform the lot - where will the money come from?!” Or “Labour scheme you change ALL pensions...”

Not withstanding my headline writing needs practice, they couldn’t really win in the campaign. Partly because print media in this country and partly(maybe mainly) the leader couldn’t articulate a vision but nor was he ever really taking a positive and credible vision

He spoke about how bad things are rather than promote hope. No one wants to be seen as a victim, they want to see themselves as potentially doing alright one day.....
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Promoting hope is fine, good even but false hope certainly isn’t. There is a line that if overstepped the public will turn away from. Wishful thinking, vote grabbing, delusion, dishonesty call it what you want. labour went so far over the line they can’t see it anymore.

The situation isn’t as complicated as some make out or as desperate as the right are trying to suggest. Brexit aside those northern votes will come back. All Labour need to do is convince people they can be sensible and not have the cabinet filled with perceived cunts especially the leader. Lisa Nandy was on this morning and it appears the lessons have yet to hit home.

The public liked the radical policies she claimed. Course they did love those that voted for you.
 
Rayner letting the cat out of the bag here as she announces she will be deputy leader of the party with her mate RLB the leader.

Who needs a leadership election when you have the NEC stitched up and can sort the rules to suit the desired outcome.

Corbyn and McDonnell in skirts.
 
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blueinsa said:
Rayner letting the cat out of the bag here as she announces she will be deputy leader of the party with her mate RLB the leader.

Who needs a leadership election when you have the NEC stitched up and can sort the rules to suit the desired outcome.

Corbyn and McDonnell in skirts.
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That horror team is going to kill Labour off, the message that they are too left hasn't sunk in, in fact it appears that they have doubled down and hunkered in for the long haul.
 
mexico1970 said:
That horror team is going to kill Labour off, the message that they are too left hasn't sunk in, in fact it appears that they have doubled down and hunkered in for the long haul.
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Milne, the labour version of Cummings and the ex communist was on a temp contract and his reward for losing disastrously the GE?

A new full time contract.
 
KS55 said:
Long-Bailey announces her candidature and the death of the Labour party.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51012381
Is she really that stupid?
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As a life long trade union member and long time Tory voter I will be voting for Wrong Daily.
I would say though, that I feel she will be more Electable than Corbyn and Milliband.
She may be tainted by Cobyn but she carries a whole lot less negative baggage than him and is a better orator than Milliband.
Having said that she is still too left wing to win the next election.
The Electorate has time and time again rejected left wing politics and it's only the Labour party who haven't realized this fact.
 
blueinsa said:
Milne, the labour version of Cummings and the ex communist was on a temp contract and his reward for losing disastrously the GE?

A new full time contract.
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Is that right? Dearie me, the takeover is complete, I wonder if these people are actually fanatics, or just idiots,
if they've not got the message after 4 defeats on the trot, it's hard to establish exactly which.
I can only presume, that like on here, where there was a far larger number of leftist thinkers, hence the poll
at the top supporting the last Labour leader, that they still think the mutual appreciation societies that coalesce
on Twitter are reflective of wider society. That wider society eschewed this thinking, massively so, still hasn't registered.
 
whp.blue said:
As a life long trade union member and long time Tory voter I will be voting for Wrong Daily.
I would say though, that I feel she will be more Electable than Corbyn and Milliband.
She may be tainted by Cobyn but she carries a whole lot less negative baggage than him and is a better orator than Milliband.
Having said that she is still too left wing to win the next election.
The Electorate has time and time again rejected left wing politics and it's only the Labour party who haven't realized this fact.
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Why would you be voting for her as a Tory?
 
Anyone with any desire to see a Labour government anytime soon and thinks Long Bailey is the answer needs their noggins feeling.
 
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