The Labour Party

BJL_City said:
This is what we're dealing with...just cognitive fuckwittery.

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"I'd sooner be on the losin' sahde, of a deesent... pahty... than.. than on the winnin' sahde of who's in a' the minih'..."

Does she mean "The Government"?

What a strategy; "We don't want those 'traitors' back, voting Labour". How the hell does that banshee expect Labour to get in power without public support?
 
And Wrong Daily's answer (as to why life-long Labour voters voted Tory or didn't vote at all)? They were angry over Brexit and wanted to send us a message.

They certainly did luv, but the message was "we're not voting for that Trotskyite twat nor his ridiculous 1970's policies". Shame you're not hearing it.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
"I'd sooner be on the losin' sahde, of a deesent... pahty... than.. than on the winnin' sahde of who's in a' the minih'..."

Does she mean "The Government"?

What a strategy; "We don't want those 'traitors' back, voting Labour". How the hell does that banshee expect Labour to get in power without public support?
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Ideological purity is more important than winning.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And Wrong Daily's answer (as to why life-long Labour voters voted Tory or didn't vote at all)? They were angry over Brexit and wanted to send us a message.

They certainly did luv, but the message was "we're not voting for that Trotskyite twat nor his ridiculous 1970's policies". Shame you're not hearing it.
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She can't admit to hearing that as she would have to recuse herself from the current leadership contest.
 
bluejon said:
She can't admit to hearing that as she would have to recuse herself from the current leadership contest.
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Yes, I am sure that is true. Furthermore, all of the Labour candidates are burdened by the obligation to pander to what Momentum and the hard liner party members want to hear, i.e. that jeremy walks on water, that the manifesto was perfect and it was all about Brexit. In the case of Wrong Daily, I think she actually believes it however. Her prints are all over the suicide gun which was their idiotic set of manifesto proposals.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Yes, I am sure that is true. Furthermore, all of the Labour candidates are burdened by the obligation to pander to what Momentum and the hard liner party members want to hear, i.e. that jeremy walks on water, that the manifesto was perfect and it was all about Brexit. In the case of Wrong Daily, I think she actually believes it however. Her prints are all over the suicide gun which was their idiotic set of manifesto proposals.
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And Burgon wants the "Tony Benn university of political indoctrination", as if current universities aren't doing the job already.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Yes, I am sure that is true. Furthermore, all of the Labour candidates are burdened by the obligation to pander to what Momentum and the hard liner party members want to hear, i.e. that jeremy walks on water, that the manifesto was perfect and it was all about Brexit. In the case of Wrong Daily, I think she actually believes it however. Her prints are all over the suicide gun which was their idiotic set of manifesto proposals.
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Yup. It's excruciating listening to Starmer talk about how they will always be a 'radical' party, knowing he's having to do this because of the delusion of the membership. (for the record, I was a member of the labour party for about 5 months but left because of all the complete fucking cranks. as it's not the done thing to point out to people they are fucking idiots i decided this game probably wasn't for me)
 
bluejon said:
Yup. It's excruciating listening to Starmer talk about how they will always be a 'radical' party, knowing he's having to do this because of the delusion of the membership. (for the record, I was a member of the labour party for about 5 months but left because of all the complete fucking cranks. as it's not the done thing to point out to people they are fucking idiots i decided this game probably wasn't for me)
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Difficult to know what to make of Starmer. People judge him on his background (barrister, former director of the CPS etc), eloquence and probably also suave appearance and assume therefore that he is a balanced and considered moderate and not a hard left loony.

But I am not sure that is valid. In his younger years, Starmer was full-on hard left. For example, calling for enlargement of the unions and giving them control of business decision-making processes, not just collective bargaining around pay and conditions. Basically controlling the means of production, which is full on Marxism.

Either he has matured and abandoned these daft ideas, or that's what he really thinks and he's just buried it for political expediency. But it would explain why he sat so comfortably next to Corbyn in the shadow cabinet, when people known to be more sensible would have nothing to do with it.
 
George Hannah said:
This cretin's whole twitter feed sums up the deperate future awaiting a once great political party - here's a sample
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Watching the election results come in he was an incoherent babbling mess, he went from blaming the electorate for being stupid to just stopping short of shouting "Fuck The Tories" he's a class one bellend.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Total bellend, agreed. A moron.
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The worry for me as a regular Labour voter is the complete lack of self-awareness. I know you can't expect him to be a shrinking violet in a leadership campaign, but look at Rees-Mogg. Made the Grenfell slur and wasn't seen for weeks in the build up to the election as he or the party, or both, figured how unelectable he might be. People like Burgon just don't seem to realise a lot of people think he's a tit. It goes back to the broader point from earlier about being morally right in opposition or being a 'traitor' and in power. The mind boggles.
 
joe123 said:
The worry for me as a regular Labour voter is the complete lack of self-awareness. I know you can't expect him to be a shrinking violet in a leadership campaign, but look at Rees-Mogg. Made the Grenfell slur and wasn't seen for weeks in the build up to the election as he or the party, or both, figured how unelectable he might be. People like Burgon just don't seem to realise a lot of people think he's a tit. It goes back to the broader point from earlier about being morally right in opposition or being a 'traitor' and in power. The mind boggles.
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The biggest problem we face on the political landscape is engagement, with my hand on my heart I can say that the only way that politicians are known by most of the people around me is if they are on love island or featured heavily in the daily mail. People know less and less about politicians it's like they just bore them, this gives the ideologues from both sides a free arena to just spout more and more guff in their respective echo chambers.

What killed Labour apart from having an utter madman in charge was they stopped engaging the 'Working class' and listened too much to echoes and didn't understand that Brexit was what the electorate wanted so they had a wishy washy approach.
 
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