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[Ban-jani]

Is ranking racism in order not racist itself?

I am not ranking it in order.

It is all equally stupid and wrong.

I am specifically saying the hatred can be more “vicious” towards certain groups.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I am not ranking it in order.

It is all equally stupid and wrong.

I am specifically saying the hatred can be more “vicious” towards certain groups.

It’s all subjective. Worsleyweb went mental the other day when his hero was in trouble and saw everything as a vicious attack on Boris.

 

[Ban-jani]

It’s all subjective. Worsleyweb went mental the other day when his hero was in trouble and saw everything as a vicious attack on Boris.

I’m not sure that’s comparable to the Holocaust.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I’m not sure that’s comparable to the Holocaust.

Not much is if you are going there. Might as well close the thread.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Not much is if you are going there. Might as well close the thread.

Yep - holocaust card played. Time to cash in our hatred chips and concede some wrong is just wronger than other wrong.

 

[Ban-jani]

Not much is if you are going there. Might as well close the thread.

We were discussing the historic attacks on Jews and you brought up Worsley moaning about attacks on Boris.

In what world is it comparable?

 

[Ban-jani]

Yep - holocaust card played. Time to cash in our hatred chips and concede some wrong is just wronger than other wrong.

I’ll give you a chance to either delete your post or apologise.

I specifically said all racism is equally wrong, my point was that due to antisemitism being a “punch up” discrimination, it is more vicious than others and leads to violence more often.

He then, for some unknown reason, started talking about Worsley moaning about attacks on Boris.

Quite rightly I pointed out it’s not the same as the what’s happened to Jewish people, it was a weird thing to bring up.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

We were discussing the historic attacks on Jews and you brought up Worsley moaning about attacks on Boris.

In what world is it comparable?

I don’t know. You brought up the Holocaust. Kind of kills any discussion.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I’ll give you a chance to either delete your post or apologise.

I specifically said all racism is equally wrong, my point was that due to antisemitism being a “punch up” discrimination, it is more vicious than others and leads to violence more often.

He then, for some unknown reason, started talking about Worsley moaning about attacks on Boris.

Quite rightly I pointed out it’s not the same as the what’s happened to Jewish people, it was a weird thing to bring up.

Nah, you went there. The discussion was nowhere near that point. You went all Piers again.

hence it killed the discussion.

 

[Ban-jani]

I don’t know. You brought up the Holocaust. Kind of kills any discussion.

Are you pissed?

 

[Ban-jani]

Nah, you went there. The discussion was nowhere near that point. You went all Piers again.

hence it killed the discussion.

Nope I didn’t.

You questioned why antisemitism was more vicious than other forms of racism, I gave you the answer and you responded by talking about Worsley moaning about Boris’s attacks.

It was totally irrelevant and incomparable to something that I was talking about, which was antisemitism.

I have you the biggest example of it to prove my point.

What point were you even trying to make?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Nope I didn’t.

You questioned why antisemitism was more vicious than other forms of racism, I gave you the answer and you responded by talking about Worsley moaning about Boris’s attacks.

It was totally irrelevant and incomparable to something that I was talking about, which was antisemitism.

I have you the biggest example of it to prove my point.

What point were you even trying to make?

You ranked racism in the order you saw fit.

It’s interesting to see you try to justify it.

 

[Ban-jani]

You ranked racism in the order you saw fit.

It’s interesting to see you try to justify it.

Again, no I did not.

I specifically said-

All racism is equally stupid and wrong

I said that some racism results in more violence and is more
“vicious”, which anyone with a sniff of knowledge of anthropology knows is true.

If you want me to run through why again I can?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Again, no I did not.

I specifically said-



I said that some racism results in more violence and is more
“vicious”, which anyone with a sniff of knowledge of anthropology knows is true.

If you want me to run through why again I can?

All racism is wrong. More violence has been targeted at Muslims in Corbyn’s tenure than Jews, yet Corbyn got more headlines for his ineptitude in dealing with words from cretins that were also members of the Labour Party, whilst you sat back and debated your discomfort at the definition of Islamophonia.

Go figure.

 

[Ban-jani]

All racism is wrong. More violence has been targeted at Muslims in Corbyn’s tenure than Jews, yet Corbyn got more headlines for his ineptitude in dealing with words from cretins that were also members of the Labour Party, whilst you sat back and debated your discomfort at the definition of Islamophonia.

Go figure.

I know I just said its all equally wrong, do you need me to repeat it a thousand times?

More Muslims were targeted in the Labour Party?

Or are you talking general population?

If it’s the latter that’s a shameful use of whataboutism, considering the Labour Party is under 0.1% of the population and therefore couldn’t possibly match up to general population levels of racism.

It’s also as if that doesn’t matter as there’s stuff going on elsewhere.

Islamophobia by definition means-

Islamophobia is the fear, hatred of, or prejudice against the Islamic religion or Muslims generally

Well I hate all religion and that’s why I hate that word. It shouldn’t mean the religion itself and it should be called Muslimophobia, describing a hatred or irrational fear of Muslims, in which I certainly do not.

Do you seriously want to carry on here? It’s not looking good for you.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Nope I didn’t.

You questioned why antisemitism was more vicious than other forms of racism, I gave you the answer and you responded by talking about Worsley moaning about Boris’s attacks.

It was totally irrelevant and incomparable to something that I was talking about, which was antisemitism.

I have you the biggest example of it to prove my point.

What point were you even trying to make?

He's right you know. You said all racism was equally wrong, but then went on to effectively describe one particular form as wronger than others. I don't disagree with your views on anti-semitism, but it does appear that there is a concerted attempt to hide other forms of 'lesser' wrongdoing within labour behind it. The sky article mat posted shows Corbyn has clearly been at the end of a vile smear campaign which lurks in the shadows of labour just like the anti-semitism does. Your welcome to ranking these problems in what appear to you as their order of 'wrongness' as is your prerogative, but you can't get all pissy just because we think you are wrong. Thats just life. Actually, I suppose you can get all pissy if you like, you just can't expect to change anyones mind.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I know I just said its all equally wrong, do you need me to repeat it a thousand times?

More Muslims were targeted in the Labour Party?

Or are you talking general population?

If it’s the latter that’s a shameful use of whataboutism, considering the Labour Party is under 0.1% of the population and therefore couldn’t possibly match up to general population levels of racism.

It’s also as if that doesn’t matter as there’s stuff going on elsewhere.

Islamophobia by definition means-



Well I hate all religion and that’s why I hate that word. It shouldn’t mean the religion itself and it should be called Muslimophobia, describing a hatred or irrational fear of Muslims, in which I certainly do not.

Do you seriously want to carry on here? It’s not looking good for you.

How many labour members are on record for attacking Jews?

How many attacks were there on Muslims in the same period?

You can define Islamophobia however the fuck you like.

You are part of the problem.

 

[Ban-jani]

He's right you know. You said all racism was equally wrong, but then went on to effectively describe one particular form as wronger than others. I don't disagree with your views on anti-semitism, but it does appear that there is a concerted attempt to hide other forms of 'lesser' wrongdoing within labour behind it. The sky article mat posted shows Corbyn has clearly been at the end of a vile smear campaign which lurks in the shadows of labour just like the anti-semitism does. Your welcome to ranking these problems in what appear to you as their order of 'wrongness' as is your prerogative, but you can't get all pissy just because we think you are wrong. Thats just life. Actually, I suppose you can get all pissy if you like, you just can't expect to change anyones mind.

Again, I didn’t describe it as “wronger than the others”, I specifically used the words “more vicious” and “violent” generally speaking, when it’s found. Which is undoubtedly true, especially in Europe.

All racists are equally wrong but antisemites throughout history tend to be more willing to inflict violent on those they hate.

I’ll say it a thousand times if you two cannot register that.

So let me guess this straight, you’re comparing Corbyn’s internal enemies smearing him to actual antisemitism by his supporters?

And you have the fucking cheek to question me?

 

[Ban-jani]

How many labour members are on record for attacking Jews?

How many attacks were there on Muslims in the same period?

You can define Islamophobia however the fuck you like.

You are part of the problem.

The Labour complaints committee had hundreds of cases to deal with and the Team Leader tried killing himself as a result of it.

Again you’re shamefully comparing Muslim attacks in a population of 66 million to antisemitism attacks in one political party of 500,000.

It’s fucking ridiculously manipulative and stupid.

That’s not how I’m defining it, that’s the dictionary definition you clown.

I am not the problem, you are defending antisemitism.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Again, I didn’t describe it as “wronger than the others”, I specifically used the words “more vicious” and “violent” generally speaking, when it’s found. Which is undoubtedly true, especially in Europe.

All racists are equally wrong but antisemites throughout history tend to be more willing to inflict violent on those they hate.

I’ll say it a thousand times if you two cannot register that.

So let me guess this straight, you’re comparing Corbyn’s internal enemies smearing him to actual antisemitism by his supporters?

And you have the fucking cheek to question me?

You seem to hold yourself and your opinions in very high regard. Yes I do have the cheek to question you. Not just because you are just some random on the internet, but also because you choose to mobilise the holocaust to back up your own virtue signalling nonsense. It's like arguing that shagging kids is not as bad as murder, because murder tends to be more violent!