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[Metal Biker]

He's bringing that photo up to discredit someone's opinion without having to actually engage with them. Not that I even posted Baddiel's comments on the Whoopi Goldberg incident. But here it is, if anyone's interested.

So, it's more 'whatboutery' then. Has Baddiel made any comments about Abbott's comments today, btw?

 

[Don Karleone]

He's bringing that photo up to discredit someone's opinion without having to actually engage with them. Not that I even posted Baddiel's comments on the Whoopi Goldberg incident. But here it is, if anyone's interested.

He's selective about who he criticises for racism. Why is that?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I couldn't tell you.

This is the story that has my current attention since it's been highlighted in the news today. Researching her comments leads me to conclude she should never represent the Labour Party as a candidate ever again.

Comparing other comments doesn't excuse, lessen, soften or change the fact that Abbott is a very silly, misguided person who needs educating about what those sort of comments do and how they affect others. Good enough?

Where I do have a bit of sympathy for Diane is that she's probably received more racist (and probably sexist) abuse from people than anyone else in the history of parliament. Her comments therefore probably accurately reflect her feelings, if not her considered opinion. Although it's quite hard to argue that it's not your considered opinion if you've written it as a letter rather than a Tweet or said it as an off-hand comment. The question is whether she's apologized because she's educated herself and realised she was wrong, or is just doing it as a form of damage control.

 

[Don Karleone]

I couldn't tell you.

This is the story that has my current attention since it's been highlighted in the news today. Researching her comments myself leads me to conclude she should never represent the Labour Party as a candidate ever again.

Comparing other comments doesn't excuse, lessen, soften or change the fact that Abbott is a very silly, misguided person who needs educating about what those sort of comments do and how they affect others. Good enough?

It doesn't, you're correct. If you're not calling it out from everybody though, I won't pay that much attention.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

So, it's more 'whatboutery' then. Has Baddiel made any comments about Abbott's comments today, btw?

Not that I know of. I was comparing the incidents, because I would presume he'd make the same argument about Dianne Abbot's comments since they echo Goldberg's sentiments at the time of this interview. How is that whataboutery?

 

[Postman Pep]

Yeah, we Jews tend to go a bit overboard on the ol' 'anti-semitism'. We should learn to lighten up, right.

Not really. But then again I wouldn't have the misplaced confidence to project my personal views as a representation of a whole demographic.
Any thoughts about the other minorities excluded from Abbots idiotic letter?

 

[Metal Biker]

It doesn't, you're correct. If you're not calling it out from everybody though, I won't pay that much attention.

I don't ask for any attention to be on me, all of it needs to be on the comments made, and not attempted to deflect away from them.

 

[Metal Biker]

Not really. But then again I wouldn't have the misplaced confidence to project my personal views as a representation of a whole demographic.
Any thoughts about the other minorities excluded from Abbots idiotic letter?

Equally as abhorrent, though not being of the Traveller/Auburn haired communities, I don't feel it's my place to speak on their behalf, only to share my disgust at the comments if they too feel that way.

Odd that you didn't find fault at all, though.

 

[Metal Biker]

Not that I know of. I was comparing the incidents, because I would presume he'd make the same argument about Dianne Abbot's comments since they echo Goldberg's sentiments at the time of this interview. How is that whataboutery?

I'm not criticising you.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

He's selective about who he criticises for racism. Why is that?

Do you have any evidence that's he's selective about who he criticises for racism?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I'm not criticising you.

I'm confused. Haha

 

[Don Karleone]

Do you have any evidence that's he's selective about who he criticises for racism?

The fact that people on the Labour right have made racist comments and he's said nothing? Including anti-Semitism and holocaust denial.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The fact that people on the Labour right have made racist comments and he's said nothing? Including anti-Semitism and holocaust denial.

He's said nothing about this either. I was merely saying he made a good argument about the topic when someone else made the same mistake as Abbot. Maybe he'll be invited to talk about it in the coming days and we'll see.

 

[Postman Pep]

Equally as abhorrent, though not being of the Traveller/Auburn haired communities, I don't feel it's my place to speak on their behalf, only to share my disgust at the comments if they too feel that way.

Odd that you didn't find fault at all, though.

Apart from inferring she was an idiot?

Nobody is defending Abbott, just noticing the selective outrage.

 

[Metal Biker]

Apart from inferring she was an idiot?

Nobody is defending Abbott, just noticing the selective outrage.

You focus on the selective outrage aspect then.

I'll focus on the actual comments she's made.

 

[bluenova]

Not at all, I'm asking why her comments are more of a story than the two people I mentioned.

I think Steve Reed probably had a bit more plausible deniability that he hadn't intended to be anti-Semitic, and apologised immediately. He said very quickly that he didn't know Desmond was Jewish, and withdrew the comment.

Duffield's is a lot more complex. I can't even begin to unpick whether that's a sackable offence.

I'd put them in the same category as the Long-Bailey stuff, where she was asked to delete the tweets liking the Maxine Peake article, but refused. She kept the whip, and could have kept her job if she'd done that.

Diane does put up with a huge amount of unfair shit, and has done throughout her career, but this isn't a tweet or like that she's immediately apologised for, it's a lengthy argument which diminishes anti-Semitism. How it could be a mistaken "early draft" is bizarre - there can't have been a point where that argument accidentally appeared in her drafts of the letter.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The fact that people on the Labour right have made racist comments and he's said nothing? Including anti-Semitism and holocaust denial.

Ah, just noticed there is a quote from him about this incident. I didn't know about that.

To be honest, I can't say I follow him or anything, so I can't speak for his record on speaking out on other incidents. Just thought his argument was pretty good in the video I posted.

 

[Don Karleone]

He's said nothing about this either. I was merely saying he made a good argument about the topic when someone else made the same mistake as Abbot. Maybe he'll be invited to talk about it in the coming days and we'll see.

He has though.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

He has though.

Yeah, just noticed. Sorry.

 

[hilts]

Groundhog day on here and Starmer will be most pleased.