The Labour Party

[MillionMilesAway]

Does anybody even understand this?

The reasons why?

An explanation I saw is here:

 

[meltonblue]

Does anybody even understand this?

The reasons why?

It’s due to them not wanting to set a precedent for when they get into power.

Wrong decision though.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

An explanation I saw is here:

Decent explanation and even though it leaves a sour taste, it’s an understandable position to take. Labour, if they get in, can either repeal the legislation or direct the police to not use it.

Again, something to attack them with.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It’s due to them not wanting to set a precedent for when they get into power.

Wrong decision though.

I think it was the right decision, we’ll see moving forward.

 

[meltonblue]

I think it was the right decision, we’ll see moving forward.

Depends how much people are interested in preserving constitutional norms really. There’s plenty of conservative lords that would have agreed with them had they blocked it and wouldn’t have used this as justification for blocking primary legislation.

I get a lot of this is narrative driven and if they do ban them use of it when they do get in power then that’s absolutely a good thing but still, it didn’t sit comfortably with a lot of people for good reason (on all sides).

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Decent explanation and even though it leaves a sour taste, it’s an understandable position to take. Labour, if they get in, can either repeal the legislation or direct the police to not use it.

Again, something to attack them with.

It would be nice if Parliament would return to letting people do what was right and not have it blow up in their faces.
I think that time has long passed though.

 

[meltonblue]

It would be nice if Parliament would return to letting people do what was right and not have it blow up in their faces.
I think that time has long passed though.

Not sure, think we’ve got a (limited) window of opportunity the next couple of years for that to potentially happen.

 

[urban genie]

The state of this, fucking joke how uncommited they are to everything

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The state of this, fucking joke how uncommited they are to everything

All about not losing a vote and getting into power.

 

[urban genie]

All about not losing a vote and getting into power.

Not losing a certain type of vote you mean

 

[bluenova]

The state of this, fucking joke how uncommited they are to everything

She's clearly just been told not to commit to any specific policy (which is pretty standard) and has managed to tie herself in knots over it. Labours position is that they don't want to waste time introducing new immigration legislation, as it's quite possible to deal with immigration and asylum humanely using current laws.

She's been doing interviews in the last 48 hours where she described the policy as immoral, and said it needed to be scrapped straight away - and if you listen to her answer here, she makes specific references to the legal and legislative situation.

I'd have expected her to have a better answer, but given every other interview she's doing, condemning the policy as immoral - and given that she's outlined what Labour would do differently, the suggestion that this sums up Labour policy is pretty unfair.

 

[bluenova]

Not losing a certain type of vote you mean

She's done interviews on the national news calling the policy immoral.

That doesn't seem to be consistent with pandering to racists who support the policy (which I assume is what you mean - if not, apologies).

 

[Postman Pep]

The state of this, fucking joke how uncommited they are to everything

Greens apparently very confident of taking her seat next GE.

She's clearly just been told not to commit to any specific policy (which is pretty standard) and has managed to tie herself in knots over it. Labours position is that they don't want to waste time introducing new immigration legislation, as it's quite possible to deal with immigration and asylum humanely using current laws.

She's been doing interviews in the last 48 hours where she described the policy as immoral, and said it needed to be scrapped straight away - and if you listen to her answer here, she makes specific references to the legal and legislative situation.

I'd have expected her to have a better answer, but given every other interview she's doing, condemning the policy as immoral - and given that she's outlined what Labour would do differently, the suggestion that this sums up Labour policy is pretty unfair.

That reads like a press release from Labour HQ ...... or Ergon House :)

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Greens apparently very confident of taking her seat next GE.

That reads like a press release from Labour HQ ...... or Ergon House :)

Yours reads of a right-wing Tory, no wonder I was confused.

In reality you are an upset Corbyn supporter, and that’s when it clicked. Populism really does cut deep.

 

[Postman Pep]

Yours reads of a right-wing Tory, no wonder I was confused.

In reality you are an upset Corbyn supporter, and that’s when it clicked. Populism really does cut deep.

Well that reads of a tedious **** looking for an argument again... thoight you might have given up by now.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Well that reads of a tedious **** looking for an argument again... thought you might have given up by now.

Being tedious is not being a ****. Only a **** wouldn’t know that.

At least what you don’t disguise is your hatred for those that can make a change. You are very much leftist, I can respect that.

 

[bluenova]

Greens apparently very confident of taking her seat next GE.

That reads like a press release from Labour HQ ...... or Ergon House :)

Not sure why you prefer to see the worst in people, but she's clearly strongly against the policy, and the Labour party have made it clear that they think it's immoral.

If you suspect that the Greens will turn over a 30,000 majority when Labour are 20pts ahead in the polls, then I'd get yourself to the bookies - you'll get good odds on that ;)

 

[bluethrunthru]

The state of this, fucking joke how uncommited they are to everything

I don't know if you have noticed but failing to give the Tories of a hand hold on the sheer cliff face of politics at the moment has given them a 25 point lead in the polls - the Tories keep coming out with more and more extreme ideology as policy and they sink lower and lower.......and of course its rude to interrupt your enemy when they are making mistakes

 

[bluethrunthru]

Greens apparently very confident of taking her seat next GE.

I am sorry ? You think that the Greens who's only MP is stepping down at the next GE because she thinks she can be more effective outside the HoC can overturn a 28k+ majority in Debbonaire's seat?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Yours reads of a right-wing Tory, no wonder I was confused.

In reality you are an upset Corbyn supporter, and that’s when it clicked. Populism really does cut deep.

Can't believe that populism is still so popular.
Sadly, the inability of labour to do anything other than follow the 'centre' ever rightwards and fence sit will probably deliver a hung parliament with the libs and greens the beneficiaries of the paucity of the offer from the 'big two'.
A job well done for Starmer though as it maintains the status quo until the Tories ride back into power using Murdoch to blame everything bad in the last thirty years on labour.