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Clement Atlee

Brought up in a well off Liberal household, went to Oxford

In 1906, he became a volunteer at Haileybury House, a charitable club for working-class boys in Stepney in the East End of London run by his old school, and from 1907 to 1909 he served as the club's manager. Until then, his political views had been more conservative. However, after his shock at the poverty and deprivation he saw while working with the slum children, he came to the view that private charity would never be sufficient to alleviate poverty and that only direct action and income redistribution by the state would have any serious effect


Kier Mather

From a Hull and from a Labour background

Went to Oxford, then worked for neoliberal blue labour heartless **** Wes Streeting and also the CBI

you can see why he doesn't see why Labour and it's insistance on tory continuity isn't a bad thing and lacks empathy when he answered that question
 
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urban genie said:
Clement Atlee

Brought up in a well off Liberal household, went to Oxford

In 1906, he became a volunteer at Haileybury House, a charitable club for working-class boys in Stepney in the East End of London run by his old school, and from 1907 to 1909 he served as the club's manager. Until then, his political views had been more conservative. However, after his shock at the poverty and deprivation he saw while working with the slum children, he came to the view that private charity would never be sufficient to alleviate poverty and that only direct action and income redistribution by the state would have any serious effect


Kier Mather

From a Hull and from a Labour background

Went to Oxford, then worked for neoliberal blue labour heartless **** Wes Streeting then the CBI

you can see why he doesn't see why Labour and it's insistance on tory continuity isn't a bad thing and lacks empathy when he answered that question
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urban genie said:
Clement Atlee

Brought up in a well off Liberal household, went to Oxford

In 1906, he became a volunteer at Haileybury House, a charitable club for working-class boys in Stepney in the East End of London run by his old school, and from 1907 to 1909 he served as the club's manager. Until then, his political views had been more conservative. However, after his shock at the poverty and deprivation he saw while working with the slum children, he came to the view that private charity would never be sufficient to alleviate poverty and that only direct action and income redistribution by the state would have any serious effect


Kier Mather

From a Hull and from a Labour background

Went to Oxford, then worked for neoliberal blue labour heartless **** Wes Streeting then the CBI

you can see why he doesn't see why Labour and it's insistance on tory continuity isn't a bad thing and lacks empathy when he answered that question
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Doesn’t help having to listen to Starmer though with his can’t make his mind up about anything crap.
He has absolutely political instincts, whatsoever.
Doesn't have the gumption to say it was Johnson introduced ULEZ and Shapps that made them extend it but, given the state of air pollution in London he is in favour. (Well, he was a couple of months ago).
Christ, even Blair didn’t win Uxbridge but he’s now changing his mind on ULEZ. He could well turn into the Arsenal of politics at this rate..
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
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You saying Mather never worked for the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) in public affairs then forn18 months

seeing as you bolded the acronym


We need more MPs under 30 and younger voices in parliament, btw in my opinion, bitnif thry are goimg thepugg the same proccess as the last generation of MPs, Uni, straight in PPS jobs amd tgen workimg aroumd certain sectors how will we not just get the same outcomes of linear thinking on both sides ofthe house
 
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urban genie said:
You saying Mather never worked for the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) in public affairs then forn18 months

seeing as you bolded the acronym


We need more MPs under 30 and younger voices in parliament, btw in my opinion, bitnif thry are goimg thepugg the same proccess as the last generation of MPs, Uni, straight in PPS jobs amd tgen workimg aroumd certain sectors how will we not just get the same outcomes of linear thinking on both sides ofthe house
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No I'm saying this...

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The group vows to "rebuild trust" following recent revelations which led major firms to quit as members.
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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Doesn’t help having to listen to Starmer though with his can’t make his mind up about anything crap.
He has absolutely political instincts, whatsoever.
Doesn't have the gumption to say it was Johnson introduced ULEZ and Shapps that made them extend it but, given the state of air pollution in London he is in favour. (Well, he was a couple of months ago).
Christ, even Blair didn’t win Uxbridge but he’s now changing his mind on ULEZ. He could well turn into the Arsehole of politics at this rate..
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Edited for accuracy, the pathetic non answer to the question and lack of ability to even answer differently the second and third time was embarrassing.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
So, instead of focussing on an absolutely historic victory in Selby, Labours top team have decided to go after Kahn and ULEZ. It’s like they want the Tories to win so they dont have to bother.
Useless doesn’t even begin to sum Starmer up.
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I've not seen the speech as I was on picket line. One of the FBU lads who just showed up claimed Keir threw him under the bus.
 
TinFoilHat said:
I've not seen the speech as I was on picket line. One of the FBU lads who just showed up claimed Keir threw him under the bus.
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It’s even worse than I suspected. “In an election policy matters. And we're doing something very wrong if policies put forward by the Labour Party end up on each and every Tory leaflet."
Now, I might be wrong, but that sounds like he thinks they should only be putting forward policies the Tories won’t disagree with!
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It’s even worse than I suspected. “In an election policy matters. And we're doing something very wrong if policies put forward by the Labour Party end up on each and every Tory leaflet."
Now, I might be wrong, but that sounds like he thinks they should only be putting forward policies the Tories won’t disagree with!
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That’s exactly what he is saying.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It’s even worse than I suspected. “In an election policy matters. And we're doing something very wrong if policies put forward by the Labour Party end up on each and every Tory leaflet."
Now, I might be wrong, but that sounds like he thinks they should only be putting forward policies the Tories won’t disagree with!
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It's not because the Tories disagree with it, it's that they think it's so unpopular with voters that it's worth putting on every leaflet as an attack.
 
blueinsa said:
That’s exactly what he is saying.
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I don't think it is.

For example, Labour have talked about introducing free breakfast clubs at all Primary Schools. The Tories might disagree with this but they're not going to use it on any attack leaflets, because it's probably quite popular.

The ULEZ issue is that the Tories disagree with it and it's unpopular (because a lot of people really love their cars in this country, and pollution is difficult to "see".)
 
bluenova said:
I don't think it is.

For example, Labour have talked about introducing free breakfast clubs at all Primary Schools. The Tories might disagree with this but they're not going to use it on any attack leaflets, because it's probably quite popular.

The ULEZ issue is that the Tories disagree with it and it's unpopular (because a lot of people really love their cars in this country, and pollution is difficult to "see".)
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Why did he not explain that it was Johnson that brought it in, Shapps who insisted it was expanded but, given the state of air pollution in London, it was right to expand it.
If his idea is not to interrupt your enemy whilst he’s making huge mistakes it just might be better not to only say that you’d do the same thing….
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Why did he not explain that it was Johnson that brought it in, Shapps who insisted it was expanded but, given the state of air pollution in London, it was right to expand it.
If his idea is not to interrupt your enemy whilst he’s making huge mistakes it just might be better not to only say that you’d do the same thing….
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Just because it's the right thing to do doesn't mean it wins elections, and anything to do with cars is almost impossible to address rationally. Starmer, who is desperate not to mess up before the general election, so he can get into power and change things for the better, is butting up against Sadiq Khan, who is safely in power, and already has the popularity to make these kind of tough decisions.

This isn't the same as not interrupting - The Tories wanted this byelection to be a proxy referendum on ULEZ, and would have loved for Labour to engage more on this issue. They were quite happy to draw as much attention as they could away from anything positive Labour had to offer, and instead focus on an issue where they know they can "win" the argument, no matter the facts.
 
bluenova said:
Just because it's the right thing to do doesn't mean it wins elections, and anything to do with cars is almost impossible to address rationally. Starmer, who is desperate not to mess up before the general election, so he can get into power and change things for the better, is butting up against Sadiq Khan, who is safely in power, and already has the popularity to make these kind of tough decisions.

This isn't the same as not interrupting - The Tories wanted this byelection to be a proxy referendum on ULEZ, and would have loved for Labour to engage more on this issue. They were quite happy to draw as much attention as they could away from anything positive Labour had to offer, and instead focus on an issue where they know they can "win" the argument, no matter the facts.
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But only the Labour Party could ignore one of THE greatest results in its history and start looking inwards because it didn’t win in Uxbridge. Blair, he of the landslide fame, didn’t win in Uxbridge either in the 1997 election or the 97 by election and I don't think he was hugely bothered by it. It looks like Starmer has no political instincts and, worse than that, no principles either.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
But only the Labour Party could ignore one of THE greatest results in its history and start looking inwards because it didn’t win in Uxbridge. Blair, he of the landslide fame, didn’t win in Uxbridge either in the 1997 election or the 97 by election and I don't think he was hugely bothered by it. It looks like Starmer has no political instincts and, worse than that, no principles either.
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The political instincts here are the same as the familiar reasons for not closing the Central Wales railway line. "It goes through seven marginal constituencies." The extended ULEZ covers a lot of marginal constituencies. And asthmatic children don't vote.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
But only the Labour Party could ignore one of THE greatest results in its history and start looking inwards because it didn’t win in Uxbridge. Blair, he of the landslide fame, didn’t win in Uxbridge either in the 1997 election or the 97 by election and I don't think he was hugely bothered by it. It looks like Starmer has no political instincts and, worse than that, no principles either.
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True, but I'm sure the winning margin (a few hundred votes) would've been overturned by a more nuanced introduction of the brexit expansion. An opportunity missed sadly
 
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