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TinFoilHat said:
Tories laughing as some of the Labour pledges are no different to theirs.

Plus Cà change...
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All fully funded as well, much like the Tories as in, “we ain’t ever delivering on this so who cares what it costs”

Just pretend!
 
TinFoilHat said:
Tories laughing as some of the Labour pledges are no different to theirs.

Plus Cà change...
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Haven't they briefed this morning that it's intentional?

They chose pledges that were aimed at seats currently held by Tories, as that's where the election looks like being decided.

Interesting that they said they aren't calling them pledges, as people are more cynical about them these days. Wonder if that's because the Tories at some point in the last 14 years have pledged to do most things - but still, no-one can think of anything they've actually achieved.
 
bluenova said:
Haven't they briefed this morning that it's intentional?

They chose pledges that were aimed at seats currently held by Tories, as that's where the election looks like being decided.

Interesting that they said they aren't calling them pledges, as people are more cynical about them these days. Wonder if that's because the Tories at some point in the last 14 years have pledged to do most things - but still, no-one can think of anything they've actually achieved.
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By "People are more cynical" do you mean that the way politicians have wrapped a lie up isn't working as well anymore so they have to change the rhetoric ;)
 
bluenova said:
Haven't they briefed this morning that it's intentional?

They chose pledges that were aimed at seats currently held by Tories, as that's where the election looks like being decided.

Interesting that they said they aren't calling them pledges, as people are more cynical about them these days. Wonder if that's because the Tories at some point in the last 14 years have pledged to do most things - but still, no-one can think of anything they've actually achieved.
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To be fair at least they are real policies compared to the Tories offering teenagers the chance to earn £50,000 driving trains.
 
mexico1970 said:
By "People are more cynical" do you mean that the way politicians have wrapped a lie up isn't working as well anymore so they have to change the rhetoric ;)
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There was a BBC fact check before the 2001 election, that out of 221 pledges in the 1997 manifesto, only 21 hadn't yet been met.

Can you imagine if anyone tried that with any of the Tory manifestos?

I think people have forgotten that politicians use to promise things, and then try to actually do it.
 
bluenova said:
There was a BBC fact check before the 2001 election, that out of 221 pledges in the 1997 manifesto, only 21 hadn't yet been met.

Can you imagine if anyone tried that with any of the Tory manifestos?

I think people have forgotten that politicians use to promise things, and then try to actually do it.
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This Tory government have done one thing, it's made people realise just how shit politicians are. The only way to bring change through is to look for people of principle (Good or bad) but that isn't going to happen if we continue down the path of othering politicians who have a newish view on how to escape this binary system we have now.

I say binary knowing full well that Starmers Labour is Tory lite.
 
mexico1970 said:
This Tory government have done one thing, it's made people realise just how shit politicians are. The only way to bring change through is to look for people of principle (Good or bad) but that isn't going to happen if we continue down the path of othering politicians who have a newish view on how to escape this binary system we have now.

I say binary knowing full well that Starmers Labour is Tory lite.
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So, by being shit, they've convinced you that all politicians are shit.

Given the right are quite happy to treat people like shit, that's exactly what they want.
 
bluenova said:
So, by being shit, they've convinced you that all politicians are shit.

Given the right are quite happy to treat people like shit, that's exactly what they want.
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Yes they have, politicians in the main are just careerist shills to whoever they represent, they don't represent us that's for sure.

Ohh I get it, your side is better than the other side?
 
bluenova said:
Haven't they briefed this morning that it's intentional?

They chose pledges that were aimed at seats currently held by Tories, as that's where the election looks like being decided.

Interesting that they said they aren't calling them pledges, as people are more cynical about them these days. Wonder if that's because the Tories at some point in the last 14 years have pledged to do most things - but still, no-one can think of anything they've actually achieved.
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It’s blatantly intentional and obvious as to why they are doing it.

The Tories will just copy whichever policies they think will be vote winners in their manifesto.

By not committing to any pledges, Labour can release their manifesto when the times comes and if the Tories change theirs as a result, they look weak.

The all the same merchants are just fatigued people frustrated that voting for huge change hasn’t made anything better and are now resigned to their fate, whilst realising that it’s actually worse now.

Some will vote Labour because they recognise that all we have left of the current government is the corrupt, incompetent dregs. Others won’t vote at all and the head in the sand types will still vote Tory.
 
mexico1970 said:
Yes they have, politicians in the main are just careerist shills to whoever they represent, they don't represent us that's for sure.

Ohh I get it, your side is better than the other side?
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When Labour were last in power they had a huge list of achievements. I just posted that the pledges in their 1997 election manifesto were almost totally ticked off. From the Minimum Wage, Sure Start centres, Winter Fuel payments, reducing NHS waiting lists, a right to paid holidays, banning fox hunting, free museum entry, free eye-tests for over 60s, more than 250,000 extra support staff 35,000+ teachers in schools, civil partnerships and the end of Section 28, free nursery places. And I could go on. Many of those are real achievements that we take for granted now.

If you can honestly think of a handful of achievements for the Tories in 14 years, I'd love to hear. I genuinely struggle to come up with anything significant at all.
 
bluenova said:
When Labour were last in power they had a huge list of achievements. I just posted that the pledges in their 1997 election manifesto were almost totally ticked off. From the Minimum Wage, Sure Start centres, Winter Fuel payments, reducing NHS waiting lists, a right to paid holidays, banning fox hunting, free museum entry, free eye-tests for over 60s, more than 250,000 extra support staff 35,000+ teachers in schools, civil partnerships and the end of Section 28, free nursery places. And I could go on. Many of those are real achievements that we take for granted now.

If you can honestly think of a handful of achievements for the Tories in 14 years, I'd love to hear. I genuinely struggle to come up with anything significant at all.
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I'm talking about now not historical things, I am looking forward to being governed by Tory lite are you?
 
mexico1970 said:
I'm talking about now not historical things, I am looking forward to being governed by Tory lite are you?
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There are plenty of things that Starmer has said he'll do that are more left wing than Blair. Despite the performative stuff with the unions recently, they appear to be pretty keen on many of Labour's policies, and consider that they go further than anything Blair/Brown did.

Blair was portrayed in exactly the same way before 1997, and if it hadn't been for the Corbyn years, there's no way that Starmer would be presented as anywhere near to Blair.
 
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