The lack of representation in rock music.

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[-dabz-]

Three pages in, no mention of Phil Lynott, Roachford, Living Colour, Lenny Cravitz...

Phil was half n half dabzo his mother was Irish, his Dad Afro-Brazilian, not really a black guy




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You are absolutely right of course, but Phil would disagree.

 

[-dabz-]

GEEEEETAARRR.............
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Emerald was the tune that inspired me to learn to play guitar. Can you tell? ;O)
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[without a dream]

You look a little deeper and you find Jake Bugg, Kasabian and Mumford & Sons. All male, all white. So my question is, where the fuck is the representation in rock music? Where are the all-female rock bands on the charts who aren't referred to as "gimmicks"? HAIM are doing pretty well for themselves, but isn't that just sanitized pop as well? Where are the black lead singers in rock bands? Or are they just being shuffled into a "UK Bass and hip hop" corner designed by Radio 1Xtra, only to be shit on by Ed Sheeran?
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To be fair to Ed Sheeran, before he got big he did loads of collaborations with British grime artists. I'm not saying he should be top of the list but it's easy to see why he ended up there.

 

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

You look a little deeper and you find Jake Bugg, Kasabian and Mumford & Sons. All male, all white. So my question is, where the fuck is the representation in rock music? Where are the all-female rock bands on the charts who aren't referred to as "gimmicks"? HAIM are doing pretty well for themselves, but isn't that just sanitized pop as well? Where are the black lead singers in rock bands? Or are they just being shuffled into a "UK Bass and hip hop" corner designed by Radio 1Xtra, only to be shit on by Ed Sheeran?
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To be fair to Ed Sheeran, before he got big he did loads of collaborations with British grime artists. I'm not saying he should be top of the list but it's easy to see why he ended up there.

I think it's disgraceful that Ed's managed to be get anywhere near that list, let alone top it.

Just for balance, I'm a huge fan of Disclosure but they don't make black music either and shouldn't be in consideration for the award.

Black music is music made by black artists and shouldn't be anything else.

 

[Aguero_Element]

not really a problem

 

[dan.j.mcfc]

You look a little deeper and you find Jake Bugg, Kasabian and Mumford & Sons. All male, all white. So my question is, where the fuck is the representation in rock music? Where are the all-female rock bands on the charts who aren't referred to as "gimmicks"? HAIM are doing pretty well for themselves, but isn't that just sanitized pop as well? Where are the black lead singers in rock bands? Or are they just being shuffled into a "UK Bass and hip hop" corner designed by Radio 1Xtra, only to be shit on by Ed Sheeran?
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To be fair to Ed Sheeran, before he got big he did loads of collaborations with British grime artists. I'm not saying he should be top of the list but it's easy to see why he ended up there.

I think it's disgraceful that Ed's managed to be get anywhere near that list, let alone top it.

Just for balance, I'm a huge fan of Disclosure but they don't make black music either and shouldn't be in consideration for the award.

Black music is music made by black artists and shouldn't be anything else.

What list and award are you referring to? And what on god's earth is black music?

 

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The funny thing is, without black males, rock music may just be a music scene of acoustic guitars and ukuleles with cowboy hat and boot wearing bluegrass folk.

The great migration in the US was the single most important thing that happened to modern music, bar none. For decades black males were creating some very special music. It was very localised and underground though. But with the migration of black people from the south to all corners of the US, they took their style of blues around to everyone and the influence they had on modern music from there was astounding.

Without black males from the Deep South or black males who had their musical roots from the Deep South there would be no Bill Haley, Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly, Jonny Cash, Rolling Stones or Beatles.

The culmination came full circle back to a black male, who, with the harder/heavier guitar influences of the likes of Chuck Berry and The Yardbirds' Eric Clapton when Jimi Hendrix went out and did his own thing either with The Experience or Band of Gypsies.

That was the peak of world fame for black males in rock. That was in the 1960s. Unbelievable really. It was their music. And after Hendrix there was pretty much nothing new. It was just left to the old blues veterans and then the white western and Jewish run/owned music companies to keep finding and producing what they wanted to give to the masses.

After Hendrix, black males were finding cutting edge ways to create new music. From the disco and funk scenes; New York hip hop, Detroit Techno and Chicago house music was developed. Look at how those scenes exploded worldwide. All started by black males.

Speak to young black lads now and they see rock music as white music. I don't think it would ever cross the minds of most young black men nowadays to get into rock music and that's down to what the record companies have done with the way they've put rock music out there to the masses like in the past forty years. Off the top of my head I can think of Mick Collins of The Dirtbombs and Kele Okereke of Bloc Party who are black front men in bands.

 

[dan.j.mcfc]

The funny thing is, without black males, rock music may just be a music scene of acoustic guitars and ukuleles with cowboy hat and boot wearing bluegrass folk.

The great migration in the US was the single most important thing that happened to modern music, bar none. For decades black males were creating some very special music. It was very localised and underground though. But with the migration of black people from the south to all corners of the US, they took their style of blues around to everyone and the influence they had on modern music from there was astounding.

Without black males from the Deep South or black males who had their musical roots from the Deep South there would be no Bill Haley, Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly, Jonny Cash, Rolling Stones or Beatles.

The culmination came full circle back to a black male, who, with the harder/heavier guitar influences of the likes of Chuck Berry and The Yardbirds' Eric Clapton when Jimi Hendrix went out and did his own thing either with The Experience or Band of Gypsies.

That was the peak of world fame for black males in rock. That was in the 1960s. Unbelievable really. It was their music. And after Hendrix there was pretty much nothing new. It was just left to the old blues veterans and then the white western and Jewish run/owned music companies to keep finding and producing what they wanted to give to the masses.

After Hendrix, black males were finding cutting edge ways to create new music. From the disco and funk scenes; New York hip hop, Detroit Techno and Chicago house music was developed. Look at how those scenes exploded worldwide. All started by black males.

Speak to young black lads now and they see rock music as white music. I don't think it would ever cross the minds of most young black men nowadays to get into rock music and that's down to what the record companies have done with the way they've put rock music out there to the masses like in the past forty years. Off the top of my head I can think of Mick Collins of The Dirtbombs and Kele Okereke of Bloc Party who are black front men in bands.

I agree with this.

I think it's worth remembering though, that with migration from the south to the rest of America, their music was being replicated by white musicians in a predominantly white country and then recorded and sold to a "white consumer". I think it's simply a numbers game, as that particular genre started to grow and become more mainstream and marketable, more and more white musicians took the mantle so to speak. Timing also played a big part, I'd imagine a half decent white musician in the 50's/60's would be infinitely more marketable to a record label than an exceptionally gifted black musician.

 

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

Off the top of my head I can think of Mick Collins of The Dirtbombs and Kele Okereke of Bloc Party who are black front men in bands.

Agree with everything you've said so I won't add to it, but this has got me thinking of black males fronting rock bands. Killswitch Engage, Sepultra and Bad Brains are some more I can think of.