The Long Throw

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Why is this suddenly all the rage again? I mean there's always been the odd team who happens to have a player who can do a long throw, but it seems like half the Premier League are doing it this season all of a sudden. What's happened to make so many teams decide that it's obviously a winning tactic all at the same time? And how long will it last before every defence reacts and it stops working?
 
Why is this suddenly all the rage again? I mean there's always been the odd team who happens to have a player who can do a long throw, but it seems like half the Premier League are doing it this season all of a sudden. What's happened to make so many teams decide that it's obviously a winning tactic all at the same time? And how long will it last before every defence reacts and it stops working?
Like set pieces, it is something to help get past low block defences. And pretty much everyone is adopting low blocks now, particularly against the big boys.
 
I don't think it ever really went out of fashion: maybe in the top divisions, but in the lower leagues it was a tactic you'd see teams using fairly often. I follow my local non-league club around a fair bit and there are a number of teams with their very own windmill-arms players.
 
Like set pieces, it is something to help get past low block defences. And pretty much everyone is adopting low blocks now, particularly against the big boys.
But it's not the big boys that are doing it. Brentford, Spurs, Sunderland, etc.

Honestly, the main thing that annoys me about it is how they're allowed to take so long over it. It slows the game down so much and they're allowed to do it. Meanwhile, we get a yellow card for time wasting for taking less time over a throw in. It would seem like doing a long throw every time would be the perfect routine when you're 1-0 up in the dying minutes of a game.
 
I don't think it ever really went out of fashion: maybe in the top divisions, but in the lower leagues it was a tactic you'd see teams using fairly often. I follow my local non-league club around a fair bit and there are a number of teams with their very own windmill-arms players.
Well yeah, but I'm sure there are lots of tactics that happen in the lower leagues that would be found out pretty quickly in the Premier League. I guess I'm just surprised that so many Premier League defences seem to be unable to cope with it all of a sudden, when presumably it's been an option forever and PL managers haven't considered it worth bothering with. That's why I imagine we'll see a spate of goals from the surprise factor, but as soon as teams start training specifically to deal with it, we'll see these teams' long throw chances dramatically reduce.
 
The problem for 'footballing' teams is that they probably spend little time on the training ground defending corner after corner, upfield hoof after upfield hoof, or launched thow-ins deep into the penalty area. Teams who can't play attractive open football 'cos they haven't the personnel might have some weightlifter on the books who can send a throw in forty yards.

The ToryGraph have a 'goals scored' league table today and we're top of goals scored from open play. Sez a lot!
 
I'm currently training and studying to become a data analyst via my job, and a lot of the more recent tactical emphasis on corners and long throw-ins in the Premier League reminds me of things I've learned during the training course I've done over the last few months.

Yes, data analysis is just analysing data (duh, it's on the can), but it's also about finding stories within numbers, and finding patterns and pathways through pretty daunting information. And that's what's happened behind the scenes at numerous PL clubs over the last 10-15 years.

Basically, data analysts and coaches at a number of PL (and 2nd tier) teams have realised that corners and throw-ins are, for want of a better word, chaos. Chaos means lots and lots of data. And if you can turn that data into something tangible that's able to be controlled and moulded, you're in luck.

So, for instance, Arsenal have probably looked at all the corners they took between 2020 and 2023. How many from the left, how many from the right, how many resulted in goal-scoring opportunities, how many were caught by the goalkeeper, how many were just headed away by opposition defenders, and so on.

If, say, 25% of their corners were caught by goalkeepers, another 25% were headed away, another 25% were won in the air by an Arsenal player, and then 25% resulted in goals or shots, they'd start focusing on why only 1/4 of their corners were leading to big chances and then start replicating those conditions over and over.

They've realised that if they can block the keeper then that first 25% goes down to, say, 15%. And if they can block defenders then they can free up their attacking runners. And once all that falls into place, the percentage of corners leading to goalscoring opportunities can be increased - and all by finding a pathway through the data.

It's a combination of the old ways of thinking ("Get it in the mixer and get the big man's head on it") and the new ways of thinking ("Let's use data and analytics to try and swing games our way"), which means what you've got is essentially a heightened, more sophisticated form of the tactics Allardyce, Bruce, etc. used to employ.

Spurs, Brentford, Sunderland, etc. and a bunch of other teams have basically followed suit. It's the 2000s Mourinho method of playing the percentages for 90 mins, and forcing as many marginal moments as possible, then having the right weapons to turn those engineered 50/50 moments into goals and wins and trophies, etc.

I don't really know how I feel about it from an aesthetical point of view, but in the end corners and throw-ins are part of the rules and teams should be allowed to win any way they can within those rules. The teams who figure out how to master set-pieces and this new era of faster football will be very hard to catch for 2-3 years.

In the end it's the same thing we did around 2017. Pep realised that, after his first season, PL teams left an awful lot of space in behind, so we got a keeper who was press-resistant, sucked teams into our half without the ball, and then used the speed of De Bruyne, Sane, Aguero, and Sterling to just rip the game away from them.

That's why we were basically impossible to stop during the 17/18 and 18/19 years. We were essentially playing alien football. Then teams got smarter, started practising how to best structure a low block, looking at the spaces we left behind us when we set up camp 35 yards from goal, and we had to learn some new methods to keep winning.

Something will come along in 1-2 years that stops Arsenal, Spurs, etc. from being so dominant at set-pieces. Teams will sign bigger, more muscular goalkeepers; they'll start going to ground easier to con the referee into giving fouls in favour of the defenders; they'll start sticking a man on the touchline to distract the player throwing the ball.

It's all part of how football has always, and will always, change.
 
Good on teams using it. Play to your strengths and to be honest the identikit football we have seen over the last few years has been pretty dull. Bit of variety, different challenges is good for the game.
Fine if the clock is stopped when the ball goes out of play....we're being robbed game after game of actual football.

I only travel 90 mins eachway....you must be really pissed off!!!
 
Why is this suddenly all the rage again? I mean there's always been the odd team who happens to have a player who can do a long throw, but it seems like half the Premier League are doing it this season all of a sudden. What's happened to make so many teams decide that it's obviously a winning tactic all at the same time? And how long will it last before every defence reacts and it stops working?

Because teams are successfully scoring goals from them or getting corners from them. If you think about it you can typically throw something more accurately than you can kick accurately. On the downside it's easier to read the . Defensively good teams can defend against them, they head the ball out. But it's just another tool or tactic. You need to have a good long thrower though, which is a rarity.

Look at the GOAT, he's probably had more success the most set piece takers

 
Fine if the clock is stopped when the ball goes out of play....we're being robbed game after game of actual football.

I only travel 90 mins eachway....you must be really pissed off!!!

Yeah hopefully the refs catch up on that and the Lino’s do their job and communicate with the players/refs.

To be honest mate I feel a bit robbed at most matches these days. If we go a goal or two up I often think would my time be best served getting back onto the motorway system rather than watching keep ball.
 
Yeah hopefully the refs catch up on that and the Lino’s do their job and communicate with the players/refs.

To be honest mate I feel a bit robbed at most matches these days. If we go a goal or two up I often think would my time be best served getting back onto the motorway system rather than watching keep ball.
Know what you mean, I'm probably done at the end of the season after 45 years as a ST holder with a few years missing due to work.

The enjoyment isn't the same and moving tickets around as I intended missing the midwinter 'average games' next season will be too much fucking about.

Chances are on the games the club can't shift stuff I'll pick up a ticket when my mates get an additional allowance for the cat C type games.
 
Good on teams using it. Play to your strengths and to be honest the identikit football we have seen over the last few years has been pretty dull. Bit of variety, different challenges is good for the game.
Absolutely. I have no problem with teams playing a particular style (other than the time element), I'm just confused as to why it's suddenly become this big thing with a bunch of teams all at the same time. When Stoke had Rory Delap, they had one player with a particular talent and used it to their advantage. This season though, it's like a bunch of teams have all come to the same realisation at the same time. Maybe I've just not been paying attention.
 
Why is this suddenly all the rage again? I mean there's always been the odd team who happens to have a player who can do a long throw, but it seems like half the Premier League are doing it this season all of a sudden. What's happened to make so many teams decide that it's obviously a winning tactic all at the same time? And how long will it last before every defence reacts and it stops working?
Hoping var gives a pen
 
Very few players can actually throw it flat like Rory Delap and the lad from Brentford. A slow loopy throw in shouldn't cause any PL level defenders a major issue.

I thought they banned the towels though?
 
Very few players can actually throw it flat like Rory Delap and the lad from Brentford. A slow loopy throw in shouldn't cause any PL level defenders a major issue.

I thought they banned the towels though?
Yeah, I heard this, then I watched a game the other day and the home team player was using a towel every time. So presumably not.
 

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