The Masters - 2012

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I don't know what it is with you and tiger jmw but you don't half talk some shit.

I don't actually, I'm perfectly fair with my comments, I think the standard is clearly better now than it was back when Tiger was dominating.

Tiger woods scoring average

1997 69.75
1998 70.10
1999 69.56
2000 68.17
2001 68.87
2002 69.00
2003 69.38
2004 69.68
2005 69.11
2006 68.73
2007 69.10
2008 68.90
2009 68.84
2010 71.07
2011 70.77
2012 68.67

That would beat pretty much any player in any generation for 13 out of those 16 years. Unless all the players out there are now having season averages that are better than these. (as most of the courses are played in rotation and other than the big ones have not been lengthened in any great way so it is pretty fair to use as a good comparison)

well he's a great golfer, but I just think the standard of the golfers out there is much improved and more people are capable of beating those averages when it matters, he's done himself no favours but he's had lean spells before, his majors came in 2 big clusters and we'll see if he can get back to his best.

He was stunning in 2000 but I don't think it's unfair to say that there was/were guys out there who weren't as good as they are now/the new generation, the standard imo wasn't as high and he took full advantage, fair play to him but it's a bit like Federer with Nadal and Djokovic now he has proper challengers, he's helped to improve the standard of golf but I don't think it's an outlandish thing to say.

 

[johnmc]

Re: Re: The Masters - 2012

I don't actually, I'm perfectly fair with my comments, I think the standard is clearly better now than it was back when Tiger was dominating.

Tiger woods scoring average

1997 69.75
1998 70.10
1999 69.56
2000 68.17
2001 68.87
2002 69.00
2003 69.38
2004 69.68
2005 69.11
2006 68.73
2007 69.10
2008 68.90
2009 68.84
2010 71.07
2011 70.77
2012 68.67

That would beat pretty much any player in any generation for 13 out of those 16 years. Unless all the players out there are now having season averages that are better than these. (as most of the courses are played in rotation and other than the big ones have not been lengthened in any great way so it is pretty fair to use as a good comparison)

well he's a great golfer, but I just think the standard of the golfers out there is much improved and more people are capable of beating those averages when it matters, he's done himself no favours but he's had lean spells before, his majors came in 2 big clusters and we'll see if he can get back to his best.

He was stunning in 2000 but I don't think it's unfair to say that there was/were guys out there who were as good as they are now/the new generation, he's helped to improve the standard of golf but I don't think it's an outlandish thing to say.

Its the same accusation put to most sportsmen/teams who dominate their sport and then see new challengers

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: Re: The Masters - 2012

Tiger woods scoring average

1997 69.75
1998 70.10
1999 69.56
2000 68.17
2001 68.87
2002 69.00
2003 69.38
2004 69.68
2005 69.11
2006 68.73
2007 69.10
2008 68.90
2009 68.84
2010 71.07
2011 70.77
2012 68.67

That would beat pretty much any player in any generation for 13 out of those 16 years. Unless all the players out there are now having season averages that are better than these. (as most of the courses are played in rotation and other than the big ones have not been lengthened in any great way so it is pretty fair to use as a good comparison)

well he's a great golfer, but I just think the standard of the golfers out there is much improved and more people are capable of beating those averages when it matters, he's done himself no favours but he's had lean spells before, his majors came in 2 big clusters and we'll see if he can get back to his best.

He was stunning in 2000 but I don't think it's unfair to say that there was/were guys out there who were as good as they are now/the new generation, he's helped to improve the standard of golf but I don't think it's an outlandish thing to say.

Its the same accusation put to most sportsmen/teams who dominate their sport and then see new challengers

true, but there's truth to it, but that dominance helps make the sport better and more competitive in the long term, Woods has done it with golf, Schumacher with F1, Federer with tennis, all 3 are better for what those guys achieved in weaker eras, they are arguably the greatest of all time depending on your viewpoint(I don't agree in any of those cases even though I'm a huge Schumy fan) but they've all done a lot of good for the sport.

 

[hilts]

I don't actually, I'm perfectly fair with my comments, I think the standard is clearly better now than it was back when Tiger was dominating.

Tiger woods scoring average

1997 69.75
1998 70.10
1999 69.56
2000 68.17
2001 68.87
2002 69.00
2003 69.38
2004 69.68
2005 69.11
2006 68.73
2007 69.10
2008 68.90
2009 68.84
2010 71.07
2011 70.77
2012 68.67

That would beat pretty much any player in any generation for 13 out of those 16 years. Unless all the players out there are now having season averages that are better than these. (as most of the courses are played in rotation and other than the big ones have not been lengthened in any great way so it is pretty fair to use as a good comparison)

well he's a great golfer, but I just think the standard of the golfers out there is much improved and more people are capable of beating those averages when it matters, he's done himself no favours but he's had lean spells before, his majors came in 2 big clusters and we'll see if he can get back to his best.

He was stunning in 2000 but I don't think it's unfair to say that there was/were guys out there who weren't as good as they are now/the new generation, the standard imo wasn't as high and he took full advantage, fair play to him but it's a bit like Federer with Nadal and Djokovic now he has proper challengers, he's helped to improve the standard of golf but I don't think it's an outlandish thing to say.

His biggest advantages when he was winning majors was he was a lot longer than most players and he was the best putter under pressure that i have ever seen, its not the case now, he may well win a few more but i just hope he doesnt get nicklaus's record

 

[bernabias home shirt]

I would give it up jmw you really are talking fucking bollocks.

Do a bit of research on exactly what tiger has won it really may surprise you.

And tiger of 10 years ago would do more damage to golfs elite now than he did then,it's a sorry bunch playing today's game,maybe Rory apart.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

the way Rory's playing he's going to be teeing off with Tiger or Luke tomorrow lol.

 

[johnmc]

Some of the shots tiger has pulled off any golfer in history would be proud off. The thing with golf is you are playing the course not really an opponent. So you have to look at his scores rather than who he has beat to a certain extent. And they stand up as the very best.

That put at the masters maybe 4 years ago, where the line was horseshoe like was the best shot I've seen.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I would give it up jmw you really are talking fucking bollocks.

Do a bit of research on exactly what tiger has won it really may surprise you.

And tiger of 10 years ago would do more damage to golfs elite now than he did then,it's a sorry bunch playing today's game,maybe Rory apart.

I think you're talking bollocks and I think you still have a huge chip on your shoulder that you've had for about a year now, you really need to let it go..

I did research, and it seems the likes of Bob May and Tom Kite and Chris DiMarco are really worth talking about.

If Tiger got back to his best and dominated I think you'd have a point, but he isn't and I don't think he will since he fucked it all up for himself.

I guess, though, we have 2 very different ideas on who to like as people, Jack will always be the greatest of all time for me and I'll think of quite a few golfers a lot more fondly than I ever will Tiger, no matter how much I respect his fantastic achievements and what he's done for the sport.

I think that's the difference between you and me, I came into the thread and told people to calm down with the hate in general, but at the end of the day I think I can respect people's talents and achievements and be honest about what I think without slagging everyone off which you like to do.

I don't like Tiger, but I respect what he's done. You should take note, it's on record.

 

[leighton]

If Paddy can par the last hole for the final round tomorrow he will be in the mix. 3 time major champion a lot who are leading will bottle it tomorrow and it wouldnt shock me if someone from the pack wins it outright with good round with the rest falling apart. Harrington and Mahan group have been great both have played some lovely golf today. Get in there Paddy - 4 for the round he is in the mix for tomorrow. I got him @ 90/1 come in the top 6 places and I will be happy.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

If Paddy can par the last hole for the final round tomorrow he will be in the mix. 3 time major champion a lot who are leading will bottle it tomorrow and it wouldnt shock me if someone from the pack wins it outright with good round with the rest falling apart. Harrington and Mahan group have been great both have played some lovely golf today. Get in there Paddy - 4 for the round he is in the mix for tomorrow. I got him @ 90/1 come in the top 6 places and I will be happy.

if he can get back to the mentality he had when winning majors then yeah, he's got a chance. My only worry would be I think he's still a bit fragile and will have memories of being in contention after his major wins only to plough in the water in close battles, and there's plenty of water around Augusta.

If he finishes top 10 to top 15 that's huge progress for him, he's almost out of the top 100 so he really needed a good week.