TheMightyQuinn
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-dabz- said:
Barcodes tattooed on our heads soon.
All in the name of The War Against Terror (T.W.A.T.) you understand.
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The new ID card
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Barcodes tattooed on our heads soon.
All in the name of The War Against Terror (T.W.A.T.) you understand.
-dabz-
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Standard practice in Newcastle.TheMightyQuinn said:-dabz- said:Microchip implants next.
Barcodes tattooed on our heads soon.
All in the name of The War Against Terror (T.W.A.T.) you understand.
There is absolutely no justification for the government's ID cards scheme. Every reason (excuse) they have put forward for entering us onto their identity databases has been debunked. If those supporting this scheme wish to be taken seriously then they will have to make a real attempt at explaining how it will 'help stop terrorism/illegal immigration/fraud etc'
Instead we have heard lie after lie. The most egregious of which has been that this system is going to be a voluntary one. You may not have to physically carry around a piece of plastic but at some point Labour do intend to make passports conditional on database registration. Making your freedom of movement conditional on registration is not a voluntary scheme, it is a form of coercion.
So what do ID cards actually mean then? Well, after having read the legislation, mainly the ID cards Act 2006 and accompanying orders (which most people won't be bothered to do) they mean:
- State owned biometric profiles. The state does not own your identity, you own your identity. I find it offensive that anyone can seek to create one official state owned identity.
- Lifelong reporting obligations to the state. Any information you give to them must be kept up to date at your expense on pain of fines of up to£1,000.
- Lifelong surveillance:
(a) Every time your information is used audit trails are being created on their systems. This allows patterns to be generated of the who/what/when of the interactions of citizens.
(b) A wide variety of public bodies are to be allowed to access your profile without your consent (this statutory order was passed during the MP expenses saga)
Anyone who has been concerned about the way this country has been headed over the past 12 years is right to be furious about this latest new-Labour scheme. From my point of view it is about more surveillance and control over law-abidding citizens.
Instead we have heard lie after lie. The most egregious of which has been that this system is going to be a voluntary one. You may not have to physically carry around a piece of plastic but at some point Labour do intend to make passports conditional on database registration. Making your freedom of movement conditional on registration is not a voluntary scheme, it is a form of coercion.
So what do ID cards actually mean then? Well, after having read the legislation, mainly the ID cards Act 2006 and accompanying orders (which most people won't be bothered to do) they mean:
- State owned biometric profiles. The state does not own your identity, you own your identity. I find it offensive that anyone can seek to create one official state owned identity.
- Lifelong reporting obligations to the state. Any information you give to them must be kept up to date at your expense on pain of fines of up to£1,000.
- Lifelong surveillance:
(a) Every time your information is used audit trails are being created on their systems. This allows patterns to be generated of the who/what/when of the interactions of citizens.
(b) A wide variety of public bodies are to be allowed to access your profile without your consent (this statutory order was passed during the MP expenses saga)
Anyone who has been concerned about the way this country has been headed over the past 12 years is right to be furious about this latest new-Labour scheme. From my point of view it is about more surveillance and control over law-abidding citizens.
Swales lives
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ploder said:There is absolutely no justification for the government's ID cards scheme. Every reason (excuse) they have put forward for entering us onto their identity databases has been debunked. If those supporting this scheme wish to be taken seriously then they will have to make a real attempt at explaining how it will 'help stop terrorism/illegal immigration/fraud etc'
Instead we have heard lie after lie. The most egregious of which has been that this system is going to be a voluntary one. You may not have to physically carry around a piece of plastic but at some point Labour do intend to make passports conditional on database registration. Making your freedom of movement conditional on registration is not a voluntary scheme, it is a form of coercion.
So what do ID cards actually mean then? Well, after having read the legislation, mainly the ID cards Act 2006 and accompanying orders (which most people won't be bothered to do) they mean:
- State owned biometric profiles. The state does not own your identity, you own your identity. I find it offensive that anyone can seek to create one official state owned identity.
- Lifelong reporting obligations to the state. Any information you give to them must be kept up to date at your expense on pain of fines of up to£1,000.
- Lifelong surveillance:
(a) Every time your information is used audit trails are being created on their systems. This allows patterns to be generated of the who/what/when of the interactions of citizens.
(b) A wide variety of public bodies are to be allowed to access your profile without your consent (this statutory order was passed during the MP expenses saga)
Anyone who has been concerned about the way this country has been headed over the past 12 years is right to be furious about this latest new-Labour scheme. From my point of view it is about more surveillance and control over law-abidding citizens.
Spot on there mate. And every time Ii hear another sheep saying "well if you've got nothing to hide, where's the problem.... only criminals don't want to give up this information about themselves" I just want to puke on the simpletons. They really have no idea how much contempt and mistrust this government holds for it's citizens.
Prestwich_Blue
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Reading between the lines I take it you're not a fan of ID cards?ploder said:There is absolutely no justification for the government's ID cards scheme. Every reason (excuse) they have put forward for entering us onto their identity databases has been debunked. If those supporting this scheme wish to be taken seriously then they will have to make a real attempt at explaining how it will 'help stop terrorism/illegal immigration/fraud etc'
Instead we have heard lie after lie. The most egregious of which has been that this system is going to be a voluntary one. You may not have to physically carry around a piece of plastic but at some point Labour do intend to make passports conditional on database registration. Making your freedom of movement conditional on registration is not a voluntary scheme, it is a form of coercion.
So what do ID cards actually mean then? Well, after having read the legislation, mainly the ID cards Act 2006 and accompanying orders (which most people won't be bothered to do) they mean:
- State owned biometric profiles. The state does not own your identity, you own your identity. I find it offensive that anyone can seek to create one official state owned identity.
- Lifelong reporting obligations to the state. Any information you give to them must be kept up to date at your expense on pain of fines of up to£1,000.
- Lifelong surveillance:
(a) Every time your information is used audit trails are being created on their systems. This allows patterns to be generated of the who/what/when of the interactions of citizens.
(b) A wide variety of public bodies are to be allowed to access your profile without your consent (this statutory order was passed during the MP expenses saga)
Anyone who has been concerned about the way this country has been headed over the past 12 years is right to be furious about this latest new-Labour scheme. From my point of view it is about more surveillance and control over law-abidding citizens.
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No.geek said:are these instead of passports??
if so i'm up for one as there hell of alot cheaper than a passport
You won't be allowed in or out of the UK without a passport. We aren't signatories to the Schengen agreement.
Freestyler
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I might get one, my driving license i use as ID looks nothing like me.
TheMightyQuinn
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I think it's a good idea actually.
I mean, say a terrorist wants to get on a plane and blow it up all security need to do is look at his ID under occupation and if it says terrorist then they stop him from going on the plane.
It's a genius idea. Police arrest a man suspected of rape, check his ID card, if it says he's an accountant then you know he's innocent but if it says rapist then you know he's the wanted man.
Can't believe it's taken this long for the government to suss this out.
I mean, say a terrorist wants to get on a plane and blow it up all security need to do is look at his ID under occupation and if it says terrorist then they stop him from going on the plane.
It's a genius idea. Police arrest a man suspected of rape, check his ID card, if it says he's an accountant then you know he's innocent but if it says rapist then you know he's the wanted man.
Can't believe it's taken this long for the government to suss this out.
Newlunar
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Freestyler said:I might get one, my driving license i use as ID looks nothing like me.
Update your driving licence instead.
They'll get it in, they'll tempt everyone with benefits that will be conditional that you apply for an ID card and people being the way they are will lap it up for a short term gain.
Freestyler
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ploder said:There is absolutely no justification for the government's ID cards scheme. Every reason (excuse) they have put forward for entering us onto their identity databases has been debunked. If those supporting this scheme wish to be taken seriously then they will have to make a real attempt at explaining how it will 'help stop terrorism/illegal immigration/fraud etc'
Instead we have heard lie after lie. The most egregious of which has been that this system is going to be a voluntary one. You may not have to physically carry around a piece of plastic but at some point Labour do intend to make passports conditional on database registration. Making your freedom of movement conditional on registration is not a voluntary scheme, it is a form of coercion.
So what do ID cards actually mean then? Well, after having read the legislation, mainly the ID cards Act 2006 and accompanying orders (which most people won't be bothered to do) they mean:
- State owned biometric profiles. The state does not own your identity, you own your identity. I find it offensive that anyone can seek to create one official state owned identity.
- Lifelong reporting obligations to the state. Any information you give to them must be kept up to date at your expense on pain of fines of up to£1,000.
- Lifelong surveillance:
(a) Every time your information is used audit trails are being created on their systems. This allows patterns to be generated of the who/what/when of the interactions of citizens.
(b) A wide variety of public bodies are to be allowed to access your profile without your consent (this statutory order was passed during the MP expenses saga)
Anyone who has been concerned about the way this country has been headed over the past 12 years is right to be furious about this latest new-Labour scheme. From my point of view it is about more surveillance and control over law-abidding citizens.
blimey, what a first post! lol :)