The NHS

[Chippy_boy]

Dare to criticize the NHS and you get 9 pages of irate posters. It's utterly bizarre.

I can of nothing else which is so obviously flawed and yet which stirs up such passionate support. It's very very odd.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'm sorry, but that's such a generalisation that it makes everything else you've said unworthy of consideration.

Oh good. We won't need to discuss it further then. Cheerio.

 

[roxy]

I didn't say ALL the people working in it are shite, did I, child.

[QUOTE="Chippy_boy, post: 11878738, member: 10434”]And the people who work in it who are also shite, to be regarded as marvellous?[/QUOTE]
Tell you what you Tory dickhead, why don’t you tell my paramedic son in-law, who spent an hour wedged under a lorry trying to do what little he could to help a cyclist trapped there who knew she was going to die (and who did). Or who had to go into a family home where the 19 year old daughter had hung herself. Or has to deal with the detritus of society like those with mental health issues that your beloved Tories have denied the services they need because they think tax cuts are more important than a properly funded NHS.

I know who deserves the description “shite” and it’s not him.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Tell you what you Tory dickhead, why don’t you tell my paramedic son in-law, who spent an hour wedged under a lorry trying to do what little he could to help a cyclist trapped there who knew she was going to die (and who did). Or who had to go into a family home where the 19 year old daughter had hung herself. Or has to deal with the detritus of society like those with mental health issues that your beloved Tories have denied the services they need because they think tax cuts are more important than a properly funded NHS.

I know who deserves the description “shite” and it’s not him.

And I know who deserves the description "dickhead". Somone who can't read and who jumps to conclusions. Where did I say EVERYONE who works in the NHS is shite? I didn't, you idiot.

It's amazing this thread, isn't it. I can only conclude 65m have relatives, friends or neighbours who work for the NHS. We're definitely in "fucked the pope" territory if you criticise it.

 

[bluethrunthru]

If you don't get it you don't get it - thats fair enough. If Hunt wins the leadership campaign I am sure his tenure as Health Sec will come back to haunt him. My advice to you is if you get sick and need the NHS don't make your views known and delete this thread.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Quite revealing.

I know you and I don't see eye to eye on many things mate. But your experiences and mine in this particular regard are not dissimilar. It is a mystery to me why so many people wish to defend it so vehemently, so passionately. It's almost like you're in a pub and gone up to some bloke and yelled "your wife is fucking ugly" in their face. It's just weird how so many people not only seem unable to recognise the systems flaws, but also get so emotional about it.

For someone like Karen, I get it. She works there, and for all I know she does an amazing job.

So criticising her NHS is perhaps taken as a personal criticism - thought none is intended, Karen. But for those of you who have nothing to do with the institution, what on earth is it (Bob!) that makes you so defensive?

 

[Chippy_boy]

If you don't get it you don't get it - thats fair enough. If Hunt wins the leadership campaign I am sure his tenure as Health Sec will come back to haunt him.

I'm sure that's true.

I don't know what you think I don't get? I've been in and out of hospital (with relatives) enough over the past 20 years to "get it" pretty well I think. My point wasn't really about how crap it is because in parts, it's OK. As OP, the opening question was why cannot people criticise it? I'd like it to be improved, not set in aspic.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I'm sure that's true.

I don't know what you think I don't get? I've been in and out of hospital (with relatives) enough over the past 20 years to "get it" pretty well I think. My point wasn't really about how crap it is because in parts, it's OK. As OP, the opening question was why cannot people criticise it? I'd like it to be improved, not set in aspic.

It's probably more down to the fact you haven't come up with a better solution and are basically criticising an institution that has worked for the UK for nigh on 60 years.

It's helped 99% of the country and failed 1% (figures plucked out of thin air, but I'm guessing it won't be that far off)

Medicine and it's development has exponentially increased in price over the past 20 years, especially since the banking crash.

That coupled with higher life expectancy, higher cost of machinery, higher cost of drugs and less money available from the government and we are where we are.

Then we have the mismanagement of doctors and nurses especially, where most are employed through an agency increasing the cost of employing them.

We should have a nationalised research and development company, specifically creating drugs that cost the earth on the private market.

We should have a nationalised company that can build specialist medical equipment to allow the right tests to be done cheaper.

We should employ nurses directly to dispel the secondary cost of them.

If we had more staff at a cheaper cost, the attitudes of staff would be better as they wouldn't be asked to do 100 hour weeks and satisfaction of people would be higher.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I'm sure that's true.

I don't know what you think I don't get? I've been in and out of hospital (with relatives) enough over the past 20 years to "get it" pretty well I think. My point wasn't really about how crap it is because in parts, it's OK. As OP, the opening question was why cannot people criticise it? I'd like it to be improved, not set in aspic.

see Harpers Tash - his response sums it up eloquently

 

[Chippy_boy]

It's probably more down to the fact you haven't come up with a better solution and are basically criticising an institution that has worked for the UK for nigh on 60 years.

It's helped 99% of the country and failed 1% (figures plucked out of thin air, but I'm guessing it won't be that far off)

Medicine and it's development has exponentially increased in price over the past 20 years, especially since the banking crash.

That coupled with higher life expectancy, higher cost of machinery, higher cost of drugs and less money available from the government and we are where we are.

Then we have the mismanagement of doctors and nurses especially, where most are employed through an agency increasing the cost of employing them.

We should have a nationalised research and development company, specifically creating drugs that cost the earth on the private market.

We should have a nationalised company that can build specialist medical equipment to allow the right tests to be done cheaper.

We should employ nurses directly to dispel the secondary cost of them.

If we had more staff at a cheaper cost, the attitudes of staff would be better as they wouldn't be asked to do 100 hour weeks and satisfaction of people would be higher.

Yours is a considered post mate and deserves a considered response, but i am on a mobile now, typing with one finger, so cannot post much

But do you really think the NHS has only failed 1%?

From my perspective, I'd put it more like 50%, maybe higher. People who've picked up c.dif when they went in with none; ditto MRSA; people who've had to wait too long for treatment; people who've had treatments cancelled; who've not had access to the treatment they needed; who went in for minor surgery and got their bowel nicked and who nearly died; people who spent ages longer on a ward because there was no room at the facility they were supposed to be transferred to; people who had to hang around in A&E for 6 hours; who couldn't get treatment at the weekend when they needed it; who had to drag themselves to the surgery because no GP would visit.

You see I think we've become accustomed to mediocrity. We are like residents at Fawlty Towers who get barked at if we dare to criticise the food.