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journolud
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Bad or good experiences can be down to different hospitals, trusts, departments or shifts.
The other variable I worry about is blood test trigger points (ie the upper and lower ok figures on the results). Do all trusts have exactly the same "normal" values or can they be influenced by say deliberate outside normal values being exaggerated to include dangerous levels?
You would like to think so but I think there are variations within trusts, never mind between them. I recently had a blood test and was called back in to see my GP to discuss them. I did try to save them the time by asking for them over the phone but several weeks later I was sat in front of a different GP who wondered why I had been asked in. My cholestroal was slightly raised, but less than the last time tbey were tested when I was given diet advice, and no action was required. A wasted appointment in effect. In my experience different practitioners have different triggers for risk, I wonder how much of it is down to a safety first culture and the fear of litigation?
journolud
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Absolutely, such as dismissing someone when they reveal their own personal experiences over a period of three months, relying on the 'care' of the NHS, for giving their personal feedback to others on the subject matter.
Naturally you haven't, but I've noticed whenever anyone does post an objectively negative comment about the NHS, which is clearly not considered the norm, it is hounded upon, ridiculed and dismissed, which I feel is in tone of the reasons this thread was started in the first place. It's becoming impossible to declare disatisfaction with the NHS these days, which is why the poor service is allowed to continue. Paramedics are about the only part of the NHS service I cannot fault.
The first step to solving a problem is realisng there is one. The NHS is not fit for purpose anymore under it's current system, and something needs to change given the attitudes and effort put in by the staff members I encountered at several different departments. I don't directly blame the "Gove'mint" for that, I blame those that I was directly placed in the care of, expecting treatment, receiving none, and having to go private as a result thanks to my family stepping in and helping fund my treatment.
What changes would you advocate? You have highlighted issues related to competence and attitude. I could almost take the latter if I could be sure of the former (but then we are all customers nowadays). Do you think the competence and attitude issues are symptomatic of anything else? Where does pressure on the system come into it and start affecting performance? How did the morale of those who served you so poorly seem?
100% correct the NHS has been underfunded and mismanaged for years. The service on the whole is excellent, but there will be instances when it fails to deliver but on the whole considering the funding and lack of staffing it is doing a good job.Just needs more funding - like all of the public sector there will be variable service, but it is worth investing more to correct it as most people would be far worse off if it wasn't there.
journolud
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Just needs more funding - like all of the public sector there will be variable service, but it is worth investing more to correct it as most people would be far worse off if it wasn't there.
If only it was that simple. Do people take enough responsibility for their own health? How much of the burden on the NHS is in the form of avoidable illness? How much over and above the reasonable going rate is the NHS paying for drugs? How much extra burden does every new medical advance place on an already stretched system.
Should the NHS in fact be absolutely free at all times at point of delivery?
If only it was that simple. Do people take enough responsibility for their own health? How much of the burden on the NHS is in the form of avoidable illness? How much over and above the reasonable going rate is the NHS paying for drugs? How much extra burden does every new medical advance place on an already stretched system.
Should the NHS in fact be absolutely free at all times at point of delivery?
It is never simple, the PCNs, CCGs, ICPs and the BCF etc. Obviously the focus is on prevention more than it used to be, but 99% of people don't understand what is going on, me included. Everyone will get ill and die at some point, so hard predict if a 500 fags a day person actually burdens the system more than someone who lives a pure life until 120.
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You're asking me this? That's like asking the consumer in a feedback survey how the company should improve it's service. I can only point out my experiences. I was messed around unnecessarily. A condition was left untreated despite specialists identifying the problem but could not supply the medication. The specialists told the doctor what I needed and the doctors at the hospital refused to supply it and the situation got worse. It's the medical specialists themselves who said I had a case to sue because I now have a life changing condition because of their incompetance at the hospital.What changes would you advocate? You have highlighted issues related to competence and attitude. I could almost take the latter if I could be sure of the former (but then we are all customers nowadays). Do you think the competence and attitude issues are symptomatic of anything else? Where does pressure on the system come into it and start affecting performance? How did the morale of those who served you so poorly seem?
journolud
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You're asking me this? That's like asking the consumer in a feedback survey how the company should improve it's service. I can only point out my experiences. I was messed around unnecessarily. A condition was left untreated despite specialists identifying the problem but could not supply the medication. FYI, it's the medical specialists themselves who said I had a case to sue because I know have a life changing condition because of their incompetance.
Yes I'm asking you this. I'm not talking aboiut how do we improve the attitude of indiviiuduals. I'm asking if you think that your experiences are symtpomatic of a system that is fundamently flawed as I think you are suggesting and if so what do we need to do to improve it? With the greatest respect this is a thread about the NHS not just your experience of it.
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Your system is about the only one which is worse, because as you say, the price tag is just bonkers.
I get that people like the NHS being "free". That, I understand. What I don't understand is why they like it to be shite? And the people who work in it who are also shite, to be regarded as marvellous?
I'm sorry, but that's such a generalisation that it makes everything else you've said unworthy of consideration.