The obssession with zonal marking

Funny that we consistently have one of the best set piece records, as did Chelsea when they used zonal marking. Zonal marking is better than man-to-man, but us English are stuck in our ways and don't like change!
 
Zonal still relies on players reacting when the ball is in flight, however we have Lescott who watched the ball in and commited the cardinal sin of waiting for the ball rather than attacking it.
His speed of thought to action is ponderous at the best of times, last night was a perfect example of why we need a reliable replacement, watch him for both goals and its glaringly obvious how slow he thinks compared to other players who are reacting but are to far away to get there.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Funny that we consistently have one of the best set piece records, as did Chelsea when they used zonal marking. Zonal marking is better than man-to-man, but us English are stuck in our ways and don't like change!

Spot on.

<a class="postlink" href="http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/25-10-2012/in-defence-of-zonal-marking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/ne ... al-marking</a>

If you saw a spy film with awful acting would you declare that all films about the secret service were rubbish? No, because when done well it's a fine genre. Some secret agent movies have better casts than others. Yet when zonal marking is executed poorly TV and pub pundits condemn it completely.

Listening to UK football coverage you'd think the global recession, tax increases and rain were caused by zonal marking. "Oooh I've never liked it!" whimpers the retired pro on TV studio sofa. "For me, this zone stuff has got to go!" they say.

Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal have been criticised for employing the system recently. It just isn't British. "Foreign muck coming here, ruining our game with their lazy zones," may seem ridiculous but isn't far from the guff you hear.

Bobby Moore was one of the finest zone markers in history. Chris Whyte and Chris Fairclough aren't as famous as Franz Beckenbauer or Franco Baresi. But the central defensive duo won the league with Leeds in 1992 thanks to 'the zone'. Howard Wilkinson, the last English coach to win the top flight, is a fierce advocate. Fairclough and Whyte were open to the idea. It earned them winner's medals.

With adaptable, flexible players, zonal marking is simple. You don't have to be Arrigo Sacchi's Milan. "I've never seen a space score a goal," offers the non believer. But he hasn¹t seen a player score without the ball either. "If the ball comes into your space, attack it," Wilkinson says. Difficult to understand?

Perhaps it is easier to blame a scheme than a pampered, tactically dyslexic player. A method is only as good as the practitioner. High concentration is crucial to zonal defending. Maybe some Premier League stars aren't good at concentrating. Interestingly, experts on Match of the Day etc, don't tut and shake their heads every time someone scores against a man-marking team.

Of course, the zone can break down in open play or set-pieces. Brazil, labelled by Fabio Capello as "the best interpreters of zonal marking," were caught out from a corner by Holland's Aaron Winter in the 1994 World Cup quarter-final. A warning for what Zinedine Zidane would do to them twice in the 1998 final.

Man-marking will always have merits. In special circumstances many zone teams man-mark at set-pieces. During the latter part of his Chelsea reign,Jose Mourinho told man-mountain Michael Ballack to grapple with aerial threat Cristiano Ronaldo at corners. The German did a good job shackling the winger. Mourinho loved reminding the press how infrequently his fellow countryman scored against the Blues.

But it is time for English football to stop haranguing zonal marking. Errors can occur in any structure. Instead of denouncing the technique why not recognise that the defender didn't do his job well, or even admit that he just isn¹t good enough.
 
I like the Zonal marking and lets be honest it's served us extremely well over the last couple of seasons.
Problem last night was Lescott never moved and i think this was in part due to Barry moving out of position in front of Lescott to follow the player who'd made a move towards receiving a short corner.
He then never retreated back far enough and i think would have been placed well to clear the cross.

The main problem last night was we looked far too lethargical in certain areas, Yaya was poor, Milner looked out of place as did Barry.
Sergio had a bit of a stinker (not sure he's 100%) and Dzeko was offside a little too much.
Conceding the 3rd was the killer and i do blame Mancini for changing it after 2-1, we were the better side in the opening period of the second half and didn't need to chase the game that early.

I feel we're too tentative and apprehensive in Europe, whether this is down to tactics or just a fear by certain players of getting beat i don't know, but we need to start relaxing and not trying to force games especially away from home.

Anything in Europe was always a bonus to me this season anyway, hope to get back to back title wins and i'll be more than happy.
 
kenzie115 said:
Tricky_Trev said:
Funny that we consistently have one of the best set piece records, as did Chelsea when they used zonal marking. Zonal marking is better than man-to-man, but us English are stuck in our ways and don't like change!

Spot on.

<a class="postlink" href="http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/25-10-2012/in-defence-of-zonal-marking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/ne ... al-marking</a>

If you saw a spy film with awful acting would you declare that all films about the secret service were rubbish? No, because when done well it's a fine genre. Some secret agent movies have better casts than others. Yet when zonal marking is executed poorly TV and pub pundits condemn it completely.

Listening to UK football coverage you'd think the global recession, tax increases and rain were caused by zonal marking. "Oooh I've never liked it!" whimpers the retired pro on TV studio sofa. "For me, this zone stuff has got to go!" they say.

Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal have been criticised for employing the system recently. It just isn't British. "Foreign muck coming here, ruining our game with their lazy zones," may seem ridiculous but isn't far from the guff you hear.

Bobby Moore was one of the finest zone markers in history. Chris Whyte and Chris Fairclough aren't as famous as Franz Beckenbauer or Franco Baresi. But the central defensive duo won the league with Leeds in 1992 thanks to 'the zone'. Howard Wilkinson, the last English coach to win the top flight, is a fierce advocate. Fairclough and Whyte were open to the idea. It earned them winner's medals.

With adaptable, flexible players, zonal marking is simple. You don't have to be Arrigo Sacchi's Milan. "I've never seen a space score a goal," offers the non believer. But he hasn¹t seen a player score without the ball either. "If the ball comes into your space, attack it," Wilkinson says. Difficult to understand?

Perhaps it is easier to blame a scheme than a pampered, tactically dyslexic player. A method is only as good as the practitioner. High concentration is crucial to zonal defending. Maybe some Premier League stars aren't good at concentrating. Interestingly, experts on Match of the Day etc, don't tut and shake their heads every time someone scores against a man-marking team.

Of course, the zone can break down in open play or set-pieces. Brazil, labelled by Fabio Capello as "the best interpreters of zonal marking," were caught out from a corner by Holland's Aaron Winter in the 1994 World Cup quarter-final. A warning for what Zinedine Zidane would do to them twice in the 1998 final.

Man-marking will always have merits. In special circumstances many zone teams man-mark at set-pieces. During the latter part of his Chelsea reign,Jose Mourinho told man-mountain Michael Ballack to grapple with aerial threat Cristiano Ronaldo at corners. The German did a good job shackling the winger. Mourinho loved reminding the press how infrequently his fellow countryman scored against the Blues.

But it is time for English football to stop haranguing zonal marking. Errors can occur in any structure. Instead of denouncing the technique why not recognise that the defender didn't do his job well, or even admit that he just isn¹t good enough.
Exactly. We are so far behind the rest of the world, tactically and technically, in this country. It is beyond a joke.
 
We used zonal marking all last season and had the best defensive record in the league so I guess it can't be all that bad. Goals conceeded are mostly just from bad defending and that can happen whatever formation you are playing.

In general we are playing/defending worse than we did last season both individually and collectively at the moment but hopefully that will turn around and sooner rather than later. At the end of the day despite not playing well this season we are 3rd in the league and still unbeaten.
 
i dont think theres anything wrong with zonal marking, the players have there areas and should attack the ball, kolarov didnt against liverpool and we got punished and lescott was the same last night.
 
When Mancini first arrived and switched to zonal marking the improvement in our defending of corners was staggering and our record since has been very good.

All systems can break down, it just seems that when a goal is scored against a zonal defense it looks that bit more rubbish. But its the numbers conceded that matters.
 
Both systems are equally fine and equally flawed imo, the issue is that if you concede a goal when you man mark the individual gets the blame whereas if you concede and you use zonal then the system as a whole gets the blame. Both systems come down to players maintaining concentration and doing their jobs properly, last year we did, this year we don't seem to be. Neville is a tosspot.
 

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