The official EDS and academy thread 2011/12

What a surprise, UEFA feels threatened by NextGen. Good idea though and our kids are certain to be involved in this as long as we stay in the top four.

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UEFA to stage Under-19 CL
UEFA have confirmed they are to launch an Under-19 shadow Champions League tournament from 2013.


The competition seems to have been set up to limit the growing influence of the NextGen series, which last year included Barcelona, Inter Milan and Juventus, in addition to Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City.

UEFA's tournament will be limited to the 32 teams that qualify for the Champions League proper, with the same group composition and calendar.

The knock-out phase will be played as single leg ties, with the semi-finals and final held at neutral venues.
 
LoveCity said:
What a surprise, UEFA feels threatened by NextGen. Good idea though and our kids are certain to be involved in this as long as we stay in the top four.

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UEFA to stage Under-19 CL
UEFA have confirmed they are to launch an Under-19 shadow Champions League tournament from 2013.


The competition seems to have been set up to limit the growing influence of the NextGen series, which last year included Barcelona, Inter Milan and Juventus, in addition to Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City.

UEFA's tournament will be limited to the 32 teams that qualify for the Champions League proper, with the same group composition and calendar.

The knock-out phase will be played as single leg ties, with the semi-finals and final held at neutral venues.

I don't get the obsession with U19, to me it should be the traditional U21 and U18, that way you're not losing 2 years of prospects to waste like we did last year.

we'll just lose more kids like Roman if we don't sort our system out.
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
I don't get the obsession with U19, to me it should be the traditional U21 and U18, that way you're not losing 2 years of prospects to waste like we did last year.

we'll just lose more kids like Roman if we don't sort our system out.

Yeah but it looks like our kids will be kept busy from the 13/14 season...

U18 Premier League (national, no longer regional)
U21 Premier League (national, no longer regional)
U19 Champions League
FA Youth Cup
Regional Cups

I wonder if we could also send a team to the NextGen if it stays alive but with younger players if the main U19s are in the U19 CL. They would probably get thrashed but it'd be an experience. I'd imagine there is a fair chance of the U21 Premier League and U19 Champions League getting some sort of TV deals too, could improve the prestige of youth football and make the likes of Roman less keen to leave?
 
LoveCity said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
I don't get the obsession with U19, to me it should be the traditional U21 and U18, that way you're not losing 2 years of prospects to waste like we did last year.

we'll just lose more kids like Roman if we don't sort our system out.

Yeah but it looks like our kids will be kept busy from the 13/14 season...

U18 Premier League (national, no longer regional)
U21 Premier League (national, no longer regional)
U19 Champions League
FA Youth Cup
Regional Cups

I wonder if we could also send a team to the NextGen if it stays alive but with younger players if the main U19s are in the U19 CL. They would probably get thrashed but it'd be an experience. I'd imagine there is a fair chance of the U21 Premier League and U19 Champions League getting some sort of TV deals too, could improve the prestige of youth football and make the likes of Roman less keen to leave?

true but I think an U21 and U18 CL would be better, 19-21 year old's grow so much in all aspects of their game that simple things like one wrong loan move becomes the difference between a John Guidetti and a Harry Bunn.

who do Barca loan out? who do Real loan out? they don't, everyone stays in the system and it's about time we did the same, but to stay in the system they need to play 40/50 games a season.
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
LoveCity said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
I don't get the obsession with U19, to me it should be the traditional U21 and U18, that way you're not losing 2 years of prospects to waste like we did last year.

we'll just lose more kids like Roman if we don't sort our system out.

Yeah but it looks like our kids will be kept busy from the 13/14 season...

U18 Premier League (national, no longer regional)
U21 Premier League (national, no longer regional)
U19 Champions League
FA Youth Cup
Regional Cups

I wonder if we could also send a team to the NextGen if it stays alive but with younger players if the main U19s are in the U19 CL. They would probably get thrashed but it'd be an experience. I'd imagine there is a fair chance of the U21 Premier League and U19 Champions League getting some sort of TV deals too, could improve the prestige of youth football and make the likes of Roman less keen to leave?

true but I think an U21 and U18 CL would be better, 19-21 year old's grow so much in all aspects of their game that simple things like one wrong loan move becomes the difference between a John Guidetti and a Harry Bunn.

who do Barca loan out? who do Real loan out? they don't, everyone stays in the system and it's about time we did the same, but to stay in the system they need to play 40/50 games a season.
Obviously Barca or Madrid dont loan players out as they have a b team in the league below, we cant do that so have to loan them out.
 
A very good effort lads. Shame we couldn't win it.

City u15s signed off on their Canon Lion City campaign with a 3-1 win over Vasco da Gama.

A Lukas Nmecha brace and a fine strike from Callum Bullock fired City to a third-place finish in the 24th Canon Lion City Cup, their second victory over the Brazilian side in a week.





City have scored first in every match of the competition so far and the third place play-off was no different, as Callum Bullock ran onto a clever flick from Lukas Nmecha, opened his body and curled the ball around Vinicius in the sixth minute.

Despite the early goal, it was an understandably low-key start to the game - as third place play-offs often are - but City showed how comfortable they can be in possession, setting the first 20 minutes to a tempo you might have expected from the Latin opposition.

However, this early composure gave way to a degree of sloppiness in City’s passing which allowed Vasco to grow in confidence and level.

A defensive mix-up on 30 minutes presented Joao dos Santos with a gilt-edged opportunity and the forward made no mistake in slotting coolly past Grimshaw.

City had Grimshaw to thank for not going in at half-time behind. Vasco’s star man Matheus da Silva curled a wonderful effort from the right corner of the penalty box which was destined for the top corner until Grimshaw produced a stunning fingertip save to push the ball onto the crossbar.

The City keeper’s reflexes were tested again on 46 minutes when Evender da Silva struck sweetly from 30 yards and Grimshaw was equal to it, tipping it over the crossbar.

The Blues capitalised on the save by going up the other end and taking the lead immediately – 13-year old Nmecha found a pocket of space and headed an Aaron Nemane cross into the corner of the net.

It was the same combination that produced City’s third of the evening a few minutes later – a classic counter-attack goal which saw Nemane charging over the half-way line, picking the perfect moment to feed Lukas Nmecha who slid the ball in at the keeper’s near post for his third goal of the tournament.

There were a couple of nervy moments at the back in the final 20 minutes as Vasco desperately chased a second but City were worthy winners on the night and can reflect on an enjoyable and successful spell in Singapore.

City will return to the UK on Monday night in preparation for the 2012/13 season after two weeks of tournament football that will surely aid their development as players
 
Omar Elabdellaoui will be on the Austria tour and has a chance to impress Mancini before his season-long loan with Feyenoord. As we'll be missing so many players there is a good chance he will play.

Tom Smith yesterday started a trial with French second tier side Chamois Niortais. He was one of the recently released young players and will hopefully be able to find a club. He had a trial with Tranmere and one other club I forget (maybe Derby) late last season.

Vladimir Weiss has four concrete offers including one from a Premier League club. The others are from Spain (two) and Italy (one) with Turkish, Russian, and German sides almost showing interest. He said he'll talk to City first but it looks like he'll be off despite City's need for a winger or two who we'll probably end up buying. Weiss should fetch around £3.5million to £4million.

Juventus are trying to beat us to the Brazilian wonderkid Leo Bonatini who is being compared with Lucas Piazon, the hugely talented lad that Chelsea paid £10million (when clauses are triggered) for. Bonatini's contract is running down I think so would be quite cheap but Juventus are fast becoming an attractive club for young players again with Pogba on his way there. The "new Pirlo" Marco Verratti who we have also been chasing is also supposed to join but Pescara aren't happy with the offers from Italian teams which could give City a chance to swoop in if they really want the lad.
 
carlos92 said:
A very good effort lads. Shame we couldn't win it.

City u15s signed off on their Canon Lion City campaign with a 3-1 win over Vasco da Gama.

A Lukas Nmecha brace and a fine strike from Callum Bullock fired City to a third-place finish in the 24th Canon Lion City Cup, their second victory over the Brazilian side in a week.





City have scored first in every match of the competition so far and the third place play-off was no different, as Callum Bullock ran onto a clever flick from Lukas Nmecha, opened his body and curled the ball around Vinicius in the sixth minute.

Despite the early goal, it was an understandably low-key start to the game - as third place play-offs often are - but City showed how comfortable they can be in possession, setting the first 20 minutes to a tempo you might have expected from the Latin opposition.

However, this early composure gave way to a degree of sloppiness in City’s passing which allowed Vasco to grow in confidence and level.

A defensive mix-up on 30 minutes presented Joao dos Santos with a gilt-edged opportunity and the forward made no mistake in slotting coolly past Grimshaw.

City had Grimshaw to thank for not going in at half-time behind. Vasco’s star man Matheus da Silva curled a wonderful effort from the right corner of the penalty box which was destined for the top corner until Grimshaw produced a stunning fingertip save to push the ball onto the crossbar.

The City keeper’s reflexes were tested again on 46 minutes when Evender da Silva struck sweetly from 30 yards and Grimshaw was equal to it, tipping it over the crossbar.

The Blues capitalised on the save by going up the other end and taking the lead immediately – 13-year old Nmecha found a pocket of space and headed an Aaron Nemane cross into the corner of the net.

It was the same combination that produced City’s third of the evening a few minutes later – a classic counter-attack goal which saw Nemane charging over the half-way line, picking the perfect moment to feed Lukas Nmecha who slid the ball in at the keeper’s near post for his third goal of the tournament.

There were a couple of nervy moments at the back in the final 20 minutes as Vasco desperately chased a second but City were worthy winners on the night and can reflect on an enjoyable and successful spell in Singapore.

City will return to the UK on Monday night in preparation for the 2012/13 season after two weeks of tournament football that will surely aid their development as players
there seem to be a lot from Stockport in that OS vid!

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/citytv/Features/2012/June/City-u15s-roll-call" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mcfc.co.uk/citytv/Features/2 ... -roll-call</a>
 
Read this great article and felt it was worth putting on this thread. From a chelsea fan on thechels.net

In many ways, it’s not a question you can answer with particular ease or brevity. After all, what is ‘ready’?

We often see players head out on loan moves to help them refine their game and develop in order to be ‘ready’ to compete for a first team spot upon their return.
It usually entails some combination of developing physically against older players, progressing mentally with points and league positions to play for, and working out how best their game translates to the professional level.

Of course, that’s all well and good and in many cases entirely valid, but there comes a point where you have to sit back and ask yourself if your definition of ‘ready’ is unrealistic.
Gael Kakuta really sparked this discussion earlier in the week on Twitter, and indeed over the course of the season. Consensus amongst Chelsea supporters was that he needed to go away, perform consistently and prove that he can play at the level required of first team footballers at Stamford Bridge.

Yet there’s a very strong argument that he’s been just that for a while, and is simply better placed after a relatively successful spell at Dijon because he’s shown the ability (at least in patches) to perform in top flight football.

Few would have claimed that Ryan Bertrand was ‘ready’ to have started in the Champions League Final but, given a clearly defined role and set of duties, and trusted entirely by his manager, he put in a solid performance and contributed towards his team’s success.
The likes of Lionel Messi, Cesc Fabregas, Wayne Rooney and others exploding onto the scene as top class sixteen and seventeen year-olds has helped perpetuate a myth in the last decade that players can only contribute as youngsters if they’re able to be key players, amongst the first names on the team sheet and individuals you can turn to in moments of need.

Kakuta, like Bertrand, is ‘ready’ to play for Chelsea. At the age of almost 21, he’s not going to become much more than he is now, certainly not for a number of years. If and when he does, it will simply be a maturity which comes with experience.

He is what he is; a flair player, a luxury. Critics will be swift to note that he doesn’t defend with particular commitment, that he drifts out of games, that his right foot isn’t good.
If your team can accommodate such a player, and trust him to produce what he’s clearly capable of doing in attack, then he’s ‘ready’. You might equally match each of those flaws to a Juan Mata or a Daniel Sturridge – both are also luxury players, albeit better and more effective ones.

This is no slight on Kakuta, but it doesn’t mean that he can’t be one of a squad of 25/26 and be of use to whoever the new Chelsea manager may be.

It’s easier for attacking players to be ‘hidden’, but if you show sufficient trust in your players and have a solid, well-structured environment for them to play in, they can be ‘ready’.

Oriol Romeu isn’t ready to be a regular for Chelsea but was effective in his role last season. It helped that he was given protection from a group of players around him, but it was something that his manager understood and as a result the Spaniard looked capable more often than not.

Ability will always separate the wheat from the chaff at the upper end of the scale but, strictly speaking, you could take any one of close to a dozen reserve teamers at Chelsea (including those who have spent the last season out on loan) and plug them into the team without a problem, as long as their strengths are accentuated and their weaknesses protected.

Talent evaluation has numerous intricacies and differs from sport to sport but one constant found amongst them all is that a player will a) do some things well, b) struggle to do other things, and c) develop over time. Very, very few are the finished product, but they need not be for them to be of use. It’s part of the charm of team sports that whilst individuals make the headlines, the true value of the team as a sum of its parts always comes to the fore.

A 10/10 player is always nice, and producing a John Terry is a magnificent thing for any academy. However, producing two or three 6/10 players every season is just as useful. A dependable, maybe versatile player who can feature for 20-25 games a season is more valuable now than ever.

We’ll never know if those who have departed Stamford Bridge in search of first team football were ‘ready’. We do now know that Ryan Bertrand is. He might not be great in every game, he might never be a consistent 9/10 player, but he’s more often than not been a 7/10 and that is more than adequate at this point in time.

Positive reinforcement is encouraged throughout the academy setup up and down the country, but appears to stop when players leave youth team football and try to make the hardest step of all into the professional ranks. It needn’t be this way.

There are others at Cobham waiting to be given the same opportunity as Ryan Bertrand. Expecting perfection is ambitious. They’re perhaps more ‘ready’ than many realise.

This has been my view for a very long time. It seems to many fans that if they are not in the first team squad at 17 or touted as a future star then they are forgotten about or viewed as not good enough.

Some examples.
Vladimir Weiss, 22 years of age and someone who could cause some damage if part of a squad. Don't think personally he is good enough or experienced enough to be a regular starter every week but if he was in our squad of 25 i would be happy. Yet to some he is shite because he has not been in our squad since he was 18.

Dedryck Boyata, 21 years of age and never looked out of place in the first team except for a few inexperienced mistakes. When you talk about back up defenders to Kompany and Lescott, last year we had Savic who in my opinion did nothing to suggest that Boyata wouldn't have been a better choice. Yet some say just because he didn't hit it off at Bolton on loan that he isn't good enough. Again to me if he is in our squad of 25 this year i will be happy.

Omar Elabdellaoui, 20 years of age and to the majority of fans they will ask Omar who? Even though he has been at the club for 4 years. He's had injuries, been sent to Norway and to some fans in May, he was surplus to requirements and deemed not good enough. Yet here we are in July, he's signed a two year contract, off to a great european club on loan and is going with the first team squad on pre-season.

Neither of them are 10/10 players, the first two i would consider 6/10 players with potential to improve. It might be that all three will find out they are not good enough in the next few years but at this moment i would be happy for the first two at least to be part of our squad next season.

You cannot be a top side and have too many 6/10 players but you can definitely have a few to bolster the squad and unless it is really obvious when players have been no where near the first team squad and haven't done well at League One level on loan, players must always be given time to develop at their natural pace. Some peak early at 18, others come in at 21.
 
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