The Real (Secret) Political and Economic War Being Waged Today

[SWP's back]

Well, as far as the billionaire space race is concerned, even though many of those clamouring for off-world human habitation are partly responsible for the smear campaign against climate change science intended to sow doubt and resistance to efforts to mitigate greenhouse gas production and environmental destruction, they know better than most of us how much we are actually fucking the only known ideal habitat for human life in the universe. And that the shit hits the fan long before the actual ecological collapse. They want to ensure they continue to have the resources to pursue a potential escape plan (along with the recent trend of billionaire bunker complexes).

That partly plays in to the efforts to grab and consolidate complete control: they can’t ensure they and their progeny’s existence—much less dominance—in the future if their means of power (wealth) is reduce or taken away. And they certainly don’t want the parasites of society (non-wealthy people) to influence their lives in any way.

You should read some of their statements and the works they venerate, including Buchanan’s. I am sadly not exaggerating when I say the wealthy elite behind these campaigns to cease even more power from the majority non-elites see us as only pawns, parasites, and production inputs. If you are poor it’s because you deserve it. You weren’t clever enough or strong enough or well-connected enough to become wealthy and therefore you are worthy of nothing more than subjugation. It’s literally in the writings of Rand, Buchanan, and a few others regularly cited by the Koch brothers and their cohort.

Which is quite ironic given most of those that have adopted and now espouse these beliefs were born in to wealth/privilege and would not have it now otherwise. Not to mention that we non-elites largely sustain their wealth (directly and indirectly). Though, that in of itself is also a motivation to establish a new absolute oligarchy: maintain control over the source of your power.

This isn’t deranged conspiracy theory, it’s literally their platform, described over and over via various statements and documentation over the last few decades. And now they have a new batch of ultra-wealthy hypocritical cunts like Musk and Bezos to aid and abet their efforts.

I see, simple(ish) question, is there likely anything that can be done by us parasites to stop it?

 

[SebastianBlue]

I see, simple(ish) question, is there likely anything that can be done by us parasites to stop it?

Complex(ish) question, really. They’ve been able to go fairly far already. Brexit, Johnson, Kwarteng, Sunak, Trump, the current make up of the Supreme Court and Federal Courts, De Santos, etc are all examples of the effectiveness of the programme already because their tactics have been working quite well.

I would say the main way to combat it is through strong, sustained collective pressure on elected officials for legislative reform, specially targeting judicial systems, which includes selecting and electing individuals who will actually craft, pass, and implement the reforms. And educating the electorate about the actual class war being waged right now.

We have such a small window of opportunity at this point. As I said, this decade is likely to decide if they win or lose.

The biggest issue with all of that is, again, that they have successfully sparked a culture war that keeps non-elites fighting each other (with some even being indoctrinated to the point of zealously protecting the wealthy elite) instead of fighting those attempting to strip them of their remaining power and, ultimately, their agency. Another great example of this is the anti-union movement in the US and Europe being stoked right now (after they were largely gutted in the 70s and 80s in both countries).

Unions would strengthen both collective bargaining and action, which is exactly what you don’t want to see if you are member of the Koch family or other scheming wealth elite. They have literally convinced people that collectively negotiating with massive global companies for compensation, benefits, work conditions, etc would make them worse off. It is all meant to both isolate individuals and spur more division. Many of the billionaires have personally worked to keep the conflict churning and open new fronts for the fighting (like Musk most recently).

The culture war is just one means of preventing the level of cohesion required for effective collective action.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Its been going on for all of time

Years ago (and not that many years ago) the rich and powerful would use the church and religion as their tool of influence. I read something once about samuel gregg of styal mill. He was considered a fair gaffer at the time, but he would happily build the church a new wing, or whatever, donate generously, but would tell the vicar to tell the masses that god wants them to work harder (so he can make more money).

Now the rich and powerful use media , in all its forms.
We are currently being told to put extra blankets on to keep warm for fucks sake! And be grateful.

Its always gone on, unfortunately the british seem quite happy to not only be serfs but vote for the masters that want to keep them as serfs.

Mental really

 

[SebastianBlue]

Its been going on for all of time

Years ago (and not that many years ago) the rich and powerful would use the church and religion as their tool of influence. I read something once about samuel gregg of styal mill. He was considered a fair gaffer at the time, but he would happily build the church a new wing, or whatever, donate generously, but would tell the vicar to tell the masses that god wants them to work harder (so he can make more money).

Now the rich and powerful use media , in all its forms.
We are currently being told to put extra blankets on to keep warm for fucks sake! And be grateful.

Its always gone on, unfortunately the british seem quite happy to not only be serfs but vote for the masters that want to keep them as serfs.

Mental really

You are absolutely right. The elites will always have more per capita power—that is inherent to the classification.

But there are pendulum swings in the power balance between the non-elite and the elite.

Sometimes the elites have less per capita power than other times. And for a time recently, the elites had less per capita power than in past eras, which allowed collective action (aggregation of greater per capita power) of the non-elite to impose boundaries and checks on the behaviour and influence of the elite. But that is changing now.

Once more, the gap between the two strata was much narrower in the recent past than it is now. And the gap is only widening, back to levels rivalling darker periods of human history. More concerning is the fact that the wealthy elite are increasingly adopting ideology very similar to that held by their counterparts during feudal times, leading to many truly believing that the non-elites need to be subjugated and controlled for “their own good”. This has seen ‘thought leaders’ among them working to seize more and more control with the aim to reinstitute a comprehensive oligarchy that can override the will of the “parasite” majority whenever needed.

And, as of right now, they are succeeding, largely because we are allowing them to. They’ve been able to sow chaos that really only benefits the wealthy elite at the expense of the non-elites. That success has further emboldened them and laid a foundation for the next steps: literally clandestinely capturing and controlling the systems of representative government to give only the appearance of democratic governance, a la Putin’s Russia. Some of us—who will never be a part of the wealthy elite—are even helping them to do it.

If we don’t break from the chaos we’ve allowed them to create and come together to stop their efforts in the next 5-10 years, I think it will be too late.

And this time around the consequences are going to be even more dire as climate change will create upheaval and suffering amongst the non-elite not seen for centuries (if ever in the history of human civilisation, if things really go as far as some forecasts predict it could), whilst the wealthy elite are largely able to insulate themselves from the worst of it (if not escape it completely).

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

You are absolutely right. The elites will always have more per capita power—that is inherent to the classification.

But there are pendulum swings in the power balance between the non-elite and the elite.

Sometimes the elites have less per capita power than other times. And for a time recently, the elites had less per capita power than in past eras, which allowed collective action (aggregation of greater per capita power) of the non-elite to impose boundaries and checks on the behaviour and influence of the elite. But that is changing now.

Once more, the gap between the two strata was much narrower in the recent past than it is now. And the gap is only widening, back to levels rivalling darker periods of human history. More concerning is the fact that the wealthy elite are increasingly adopting ideology very similar to that held by their counterparts during feudal times, leading to many truly believing that the non-elites need to be subjugated and controlled for “their own good”. This has seen ‘thought leaders’ among them working to seize more and more control with the aim to reinstitute a comprehensive oligarchy that can override the will of the “parasite” majority whenever needed.

And, as of right now, they are succeeding, largely because we are allowing them to. They’ve been able to sow chaos that really only benefits the wealthy elite at the expense of the non-elites. That success has further emboldened them and laid a foundation for the next steps: literally clandestinely capturing and controlling the systems of representative government to give only the appearance of democratic governance, a la Putin’s Russia. Some of us—who will never be a part of the wealthy elite—are even helping them to do it.

If we don’t break from the chaos we’ve allowed them to create and come together to stop their efforts in the next 5-10 years, I think it will be too late.

And this time around the consequences are going to be even more dire as climate change will create upheaval and suffering amongst the non-elite not seen for centuries (if ever in the history of human civilisation, if things really go as far as some forecasts predict it could), whilst the wealthy elite are largely able to insulate themselves from the worst of it (if not escape it completely).

Interesting posts and no doubt.
This was why I was fundamentally opposed to lockdown. Not out of any ‘covid denial’ bollox but because it was an orthodoxy that had been discounted throughout the history of the WHO and it very quickly became apparent that the executive realised they could actually get away with anything. People being arrested for drinking a coffee in a park, people being encouraged to ‘report neighbours’ for having people in their gardens. Policemen threatening to arrest parents whose children were playing outside. Children being banned from school (although the children of wealthy parents not affected so much), people being told what to do, whilst our masters did what the fuck they liked. I’ve seen minutes from official meetings and they could not believe the level of compliance the public went along with.
Every time the executive take power away from you and me, it’ll take many years to get some of it back, if we ever do. Given the supine nature of this country now, that just seems to want a phone, some social media, some fast food and some crap reality TV to be compliant, I suspect the executive will just keep taking power for the benefit of their mates and there’s absolutely nothing or nobody to stop them…….

 

[NPBlue]

I agree with a lot of what you said.

But, as I outline in my post (and what is covered in the article and MacLean’s research), is that the Kochs (and co) are working to circumvent the electorate entirely via the court systems.

They understand demographics—and with them political ideologies—are changing in the US, UK, and elsewhere. In fact, that is likely what they see as most threatening to their livelihoods, legacies, and, ultimately, power. So they have been working to grab power via means that will allow them to override the will of the majority entirely. They’re doing it right now via the US Supreme Court and Federal Courts and, by all accounts, their cohorts here have been working to do the same in our system.

This effort is what has to be fought and stopped. Otherwise the only solution is revolution, and those tend to be very messy.

Well, I'm in the UK, and I don't think our electoral system is corrupt. First past the post has it's disadvantages, and I'm saying that as someone who has never, ever, voted for the winning team, but I have faith our elections are carried out in a fair and proper fashion. I've never read or heard any suggestion it isn't honest. The tories are trying to take care of themselves with boundary changes and voter ID, which is a bit of a playbook from the US which is an attempt at manipulating the vote, but they are so far behind in the polls they are gong to be wiped out at the next election, and the poorest sections of our society don't vote anyway, so it won't make much difference.

I can't see a storming of Westminster being on the cards and a Prime Minister whining his head off about a fixed result.

I take what you are saying, and I'm angry about the damage the current government has inflicted on us over the last 13 years, but there won't be anything like the divisions you have over there.

We'll put our crosses in the box, take a photo of our dog sitting outside the polling station and post it up on social media, which has become something of an item over the last few years, and quietly carry on.

We have the most incompetent government in our history ruling us at the moment, but their time is up. We'll accept the result with our usual good grace, they'll remove themselves from office with their usual cheesy grins as they stroll along Downing Street into an unknown future, and that day can't come soon enough.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Well, I'm in the UK, and I don't think our electoral system is corrupt. First past the post has it's disadvantages, and I'm saying that as someone who has never, ever, voted for the winning team, but I have faith our elections are carried out in a fair and proper fashion. I've never read or heard any suggestion it isn't honest. The tories are trying to take care of themselves with boundary changes and voter ID, which is a bit of a playbook from the US which is an attempt at manipulating the vote, but they are so far behind in the polls they are gong to be wiped out at the next election, and the poorest sections of our society don't vote anyway, so it won't make much difference.

I can't see a storming of Westminster being on the cards and a Prime Minister whining his head off about a fixed result.

I take what you are saying, and I'm angry about the damage the current government has inflicted on us over the last 13 years, but there won't be anything like the divisions you have over there.

We'll put our crosses in the box, take a photo of our dog sitting outside the polling station and post it up on social media, which has become something of an item over the last few years, and quietly carry on.

We have the most incompetent government in our history ruling us at the moment, but their time is up. We'll accept the result with our usual good grace, they'll remove themselves from office with their usual cheesy grins as they stroll along Downing Street into an unknown future, and that day can't come soon enough.

I’m not American, I am from Manchester (and Spain). I just currently live in the US. So you don’t need to explain the situation.

And, again, you are focusing on elections and a representative government that functions appropriately, and I am trying to warn of the ways elements of the wealthy elite have been and continue to create frameworks and mechanisms to circumvent it as necessary, namely through capturing the court systems and degrading/corrupting public institutions, which can enable them to effectively override the will of the majority as necessary. It is all laid out in various writings and statements from the various Koch-backed organisations and like-minded entities both here and there, and especially in MacLean’s research. Brexit was a facet of the scheme, as was the seemingly moronic actions of Kwarteng, which proceeded Sunak’s current gutting projects.

As I said in my original post, the scheme is party-agnostic. It won’t matter who wins the election if they succeed.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I’m not American, I am from Manchester (and Spain). I just currently live in the US. So you don’t need to explain the situation.

And, again, you are focusing on elections and a representative government that functions appropriately, and I am trying to warn of the ways elements of the wealthy elite have been and continue to create frameworks and mechanisms to circumvent it as necessary, namely through capturing the court systems and degrading/corrupting public institutions, which can enable them to effectively override the will of the majority as necessary. It is all laid out in various writings and statements from the various Koch-backed organisations and like-minded entities both here and there, and especially in MacLean’s research. Brexit was a facet of the scheme, as was the seemingly moronic actions of Kwarteng, which proceeded Sunak’s current gutting projects.

As I said in my original post, the scheme is party-agnostic. It won’t matter who wins the election if they succeed.

I think people largely want to feel they are an the 'right' side of an argument and have reassurance rather than their eyes opened. If you can drift along liking things and people like you on SM and blocking out anything else the world is a much more straightforward and reassuring place.

 

[inbetween]

I’m not American, I am from Manchester (and Spain). I just currently live in the US. So you don’t need to explain the situation.

And, again, you are focusing on elections and a representative government that functions appropriately, and I am trying to warn of the ways elements of the wealthy elite have been and continue to create frameworks and mechanisms to circumvent it as necessary, namely through capturing the court systems and degrading/corrupting public institutions, which can enable them to effectively override the will of the majority as necessary. It is all laid out in various writings and statements from the various Koch-backed organisations and like-minded entities both here and there, and especially in MacLean’s research. Brexit was a facet of the scheme, as was the seemingly moronic actions of Kwarteng, which proceeded Sunak’s current gutting projects.

As I said in my original post, the scheme is party-agnostic. It won’t matter who wins the election if they succeed.

You have mentioned Brexit in a negative light but how can this be mentioned in the context of this thread when the only reality of reversing Brexit is handing more power to the European globalist political class? You're attacking the transfer of power to the wealthy elite whilst missing the fact that the EU is a political amalgamation which does just that. Does the EU really represent and work to better the lives of working class European people? Really...?

In the context of this thread alone, Brexit was actually the least worst option, it was an expression of democratic power which returns some power to the UK and it's hard to argue against that. More people voted for Brexit in a yes/no question than have voted for anything else in British political history. No government for example has ever been elected on those numbers.

What you said (underlined) is key for me because Brexit, remain, Labour, Tory, Trump, Biden... They're all the same thing and the ideas behind them are all backed by the same people. If anyone thinks we can vote differently and get something different then you haven't been listening.

It's still a fact that most people on here don't want an authoritarian Tory government but deep down they'd certainly have an authoritarian left-wing government. That's actually what folk are arguing for, they're identifying the wealthy elite with the right but the fact is the wealthy elite survive by functioning independently of politics. Those people knock on the door of Number 10 and it doesn't matter who opens the door.

The only way we'll ever see true democracy is if we smash the system apart and replace it however this would require the main parties to vote to destroy themselves, they'd lose their funding and their wealthy backers would lose their lobbying power.... Suffice to say, when do you think these parties or influential people will propose this change?

 

[SebastianBlue]

You have mentioned Brexit in a negative light but how can this be mentioned in the context of this thread when the only reality of reversing Brexit is handing more power to the European globalist political class? You're attacking the transfer of power to the wealthy elite whilst missing the fact that the EU is a political amalgamation which does just that. Does the EU really represent and work to better the lives of working class European people? Really...?

In the context of this thread alone, Brexit was actually the least worst option, it was an expression of democratic power which returns some power to the UK and it's hard to argue against that. More people voted for Brexit in a yes/no question than have voted for anything else in British political history. No government for example has ever been elected on those numbers.

What you said (underlined) is key for me because Brexit, remain, Labour, Tory, Trump, Biden... They're all the same thing and the ideas behind them are all backed by the same people. If anyone thinks we can vote differently and get something different then you haven't been listening.

It's still a fact that most people on here don't want an authoritarian Tory government but deep down they'd certainly have an authoritarian left-wing government. That's actually what folk are arguing for, they're identifying the wealthy elite with the right but the fact is the wealthy elite survive by functioning independently of politics. Those people knock on the door of Number 10 and it doesn't matter who opens the door.

The only way we'll ever see true democracy is if we smash the system apart and replace it however this would require the main parties to vote to destroy themselves, they'd lose their funding and their wealthy backers would lose their lobbying power.... Suffice to say, when do you think these parties or influential people will propose this change?

I avoid using the term “globalist”, personally, because it has been co-opted by the far-right as a dog whistle for Jewish people and I want nothing to do with that antisemitic conspiracy nutter nonsense. I am sure you didn’t mean it that way but I would suggest avoiding it in the future so your position is not inadvertently tied to that abhorrent camp. And, just to put it plainly: the vast majority of the wealthy elite are not Jewish, and most—upon further scrutiny—are actually quite antisemitic.

Besides, globalism (the real concept, not the bastardised version bandied about on 8chan, reddit, and neonazi rallies) is not inherently bad. It has brought about the greatest reduction of global poverty ever experienced in human history. But it can also be used for nefarious and destructive purposes, like anything else, and those efforts are what need to be combatted, not globalism itself. If we revert to highly protectionist, tribal, feudalistic structures of the past, suffering will only spread and intensify again.

Regarding your comments about Brexit, we will very much disagree on that front, as there is ample evidence that entities that any reasonable observer would class as members of the wealthy elite in the UK and elsewhere were some of the main proponents for leaving the EU for many reasons (including capitalising—literally—on the financial market fallout of leaving the common market), chiefly among them that EU oversight and collaboration made it much more difficult to create the frameworks that are required for full oligarchical control.

Brexit is a dream for those looking to sow chaos via a fake culture war, whilst actually waging a class war in the shadows (people fight over the racist and xenophobic tropes connected with Brexit whilst their personal wealth and agency are stripped away from them).