The Rise of the Far Right

I feel like some things needed to be pointed out about the Nazis as some of the history in this thread is wrong:

  • The Nazis didn't initially build death camps, they built forced labour camps. The so called Final Solution was named as such because they tried a few things first to get rid of what they called "their Jewish problem" and had come up empty. This included kicking a bunch out, telling other nations to take them, having a properly bizarre idea of putting them all on Madagascar, then putting them in ghettos then forced labour camps then eventually the Holocaust death camps. One of the real big PR bullshit things that has happened post-war is that the Nazis were total evil and different and completely to blame for the Holocaust. In reality no country wanted to help the Jews because the entirety of Europe was anti-Semitic and some countries were positively delighted at the idea of no more Jews in Europe. This is why the reestablishment of Israel was so important, for the record.
  • A Communist state has technically never occurred in the entire history of Communism. A Communist state requires a certain type of Governmental setup to function that has never been achieved. All the people that we talk about as Communists were actually people who were attempting to get their country in a state of reaching Communism. Nobody ever reached the state (because it's not actually possible in a world with borders).
  • Stalin was a cult of personality yet the killing didn't end when he went, it just lessened. It's true that it eventually sloped off. But the same goes for Hitler - Himmler started closing down concentration camps when Hitler was in the bunker and everybody was positioning themselves for a post-Hitler world.
  • Tons of fascist Governments have existed without Holocaust type events. Greek, Mexican, Argentinian, etc. Very few have existed without political murdering but you can say the same about Communist governments.

They're ideologically different but the Governments that we call Communist and Fascist don't really change too much in authoritarianism.

Here's a fun piece of homework. See how many fascist figures you can look up that didn't start as socialist or communists. There's some but that's usually the path that they travel down. Horseshoe and all that.
 
If the steps needed to apply a theory include transitioning through a phase of mass murder then I’m happy to say the theory is false.

The wrong kind of communism is the phrase used to justify communism in practice by those who don’t see the problem.

As the transition is required then to me it’s part of the theory.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
If the steps needed to apply a theory include transitioning through a phase of mass murder then I’m happy to say the theory is false.

The wrong kind of communism is the phrase used to justify communism in practice by those who don’t see the problem.

As the transition is required then to me it’s part of the theory.
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Well technically it's not the only way to transition to a Communist state, it's just the way people used.

And it's more a point of order. For allbintents and purposes, they were what we now understand as Communist states even if they dont fit the definition.

Just as if someone says theyre a National Socialist, it probably means they hate Jews rather than being a really patriotic socialist.
 
Damocles said:
Just as if someone says theyre a National Socialist, it probably means they hate Jews rather than being a really patriotic socialist.
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Errrr?.....Here's a patriotic socialist, who's close to a deeply anti-Semitic Party leader, who heads a "deeply and institutionally anti-Semitic party"

Ladies and Gentlemen Damocles' National Socialist of the week....Clive Lewis...

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He'll do anything for the Führer.

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You don't half talk a lot of tosh.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Errrr?.....Here's a patriotic socialist, who's close to a deeply anti-Semitic Party leader, who heads a "deeply and institutionally anti-Semitic party"

Ladies and Gentlemen Damocles' National Socialist of the week....Clive Lewis...

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He'll do anything for the Führer.

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You don't half talk a lot of tosh.
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The fuck are you blathering on about?
 
Ric said:
The lady doth protest too much.
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But every one of those posts is correct. The political threads on here are very, very left leaning, but then again, so is Manchester so not a surprise. However, a lot of the posts are just hysterical.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Indeed.

Patriotic, anti-Semitic...

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But no socialist, so she falls at the last Nazi hurdle!

Damn!



A profoundly stupid right winger, no wonder he's doing so well.
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This is like watching someone play Pictionary.

Either make a direct point that requires no inference or piss off.
 
Damocles said:
Just as if someone says theyre a National Socialist, it probably means they hate Jews rather than being a really patriotic socialist.
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The perfect fumble said:
A man who can't tell the difference between a patriotic socialist and a national socialist deserves contempt and pity in equal measure.
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And how would you describe someone daft enough to think that quote is actually having a go at patriotic socialists?

You need to read it again, mate.
 
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