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The RNLI
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The Air Ambulances are exactly the same, they have to provide a vital service purely because successive governments have refused to fund them. Imagine if they or the RNLI packed up and decided not to bother, people would just have to drown or instead rely on the RAF/Navy providing the service yet even both of them are being cut to ribbons.When you actually think about it, it is a triumph for the RWNJs
The RNLI should be centrally funded out of taxation and classed as an official emergency service alongside the others we have.
That it has to rely on charity appeals to the sensibilities of the RWNJs who hate to see the proceeds of taxation spent on anything other than tax cuts for themselves. The general public paying for the service out of the goodness of their hearts abdicates Governmental responsibility. If they had there way, the other emergency services would also be charitable organisations, the Fire service would be a charity, so would the Ambulance service, that way there would be money available for tax cuts for them as they can afford their own ambulances and fire engines etc etc.
This is the ultimate goal of libertarian personal responsibility, remember they have the personal freedom to choose to drown, to choose to have their house burnt down. These people are fucking insane but they do believe it, the sovereign individual has total control over there own lives and they do not want outside interference in their affairs.
The SAR capability in the UK is nothing short of a disgrace really, the Coastguard has already said that the cuts over the years have almost certainly led to deaths. It isn't like we live on an island surrounded by water is it? It's all well and good for these people moaning about it until it's them drowning in the sea.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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There was a report in the DT t'other day where someone(?) police, border control, Kent CC,(?) was buying up boats on the French side.I don't think you have a canoe what you're talking about
hilts
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Macron with his napoleon complex I presume:-)There was a report in the DT t'other day where someone(?) police, border control, Kent CC,(?) was buying up boats on the French side.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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Yeah, he'll be putting together an invasion fleet so he'll get one up on Napoleon.Macron with his napoleon complex I presume:-)
hilts
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His plan of buying boats under British names(Tommy Smith was a bit obvious) will backfire. He has forgotten about the mighty British pedalo fleet.Yeah, he'll be putting together an invasion fleet so he'll get one up on Napoleon.
Plus everyone knows in summer the wind will be in their faces. Hard to sail in those conditions especially holding a small but strong cup of coffee in one hand and a filterless cigarette in the other.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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Whatever happened to the British whaling fleet? Is it still mothballed up at Hartlepool, or Dundee? They used to have 'fuck 'em off' harpoons mounted on the front. They'd put the shites up an overpacked lilo!
bluethrunthru
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There was a report in the DT t'other day where someone(?) police, border control, Kent CC,(?) was buying up boats on the French side.
what an excellent use of taxpayers money - council tax payers of Kent and East Sussex should be pleased that their council taxes will get used to buy up rough leaky French boats for top dollar. Anyone with a trailer should buy up piles of old planks and inflatable paddling pools and rush to the French coast to see it all to UK Border forces - you'd make a million
You may well be right about in country areas and a mix elsewhere. I was trying to correct an impression that the entire WA ambulance service was run by volunteers like the RNLI.This is not very relevant to the point I was responding to, but when I was living in WA it was a mix of volunteers and employees providing response services, with a high proportion of volunteers in country areas. I am not aware that this has changed.
One needs to distinguish too between volunteers (like many US rural firefighters) and on-call (like UK firefighters who are not whole time, but paid a retainer and for time spent on calls).
I'm not sure whether any extra deaths in the sea are not partly due to coastguard calls going not to the local coastguard station (if it hasn't been cut), where experience of the area counts for a lot, or to Fareham (5 miles from the sea) where someone looks at tides and sandbanks on a computer.The Air Ambulances are exactly the same, they have to provide a vital service purely because successive governments have refused to fund them. Imagine if they or the RNLI packed up and decided not to bother, people would just have to drown or instead rely on the RAF/Navy providing the service yet even both of them are being cut to ribbons.
The SAR capability in the UK is nothing short of a disgrace really, the Coastguard has already said that the cuts over the years have almost certainly led to deaths. It isn't like we live on an island surrounded by water is it? It's all well and good for these people moaning about it until it's them drowning in the sea.
MillionMilesAway
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Is there a reason why I can see this thread as most recent, but that it doesn't appear on the subforum listing?
Alan Harper's Tash
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Have you got the OP on ignore?Is there a reason why I can see this thread as most recent, but that it doesn't appear on the subforum listing?
MillionMilesAway
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Have you got the OP on ignore?
Ah, I just looked and somehow I'd ended up with 2 on ignore, but not deliberately so. Thanks, that resolved it.
Clevers
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Kate Middleton surely you mean Katie Hopkins,He is probably a big Nige fan, has an EDL tat and a poster of Tiny Tommy on his bedroom wall, under his pillow is a crusty pair of old socks he uses to wipe up his mess after watching Nige spot dinghies live on GBeebies, his favourite channel. He longs to have a skinhead but mummy says he cant if he wants to be in the Church choir, he doesn't want to be in the choir but mummy makes him and the thought of himself wearing a frock gets him hot and bothered and very arousing. Because of his frock wearing fantasies he feels guilty and now hates anyone who is not a real man like him and Nige. He smokes but mummy doesn't know, he likes to stand in he pub like Nige and tell people his street has been invaded by people from Uzbekistan, who all have 104 kids and 23 wives and have a 24ft wide TV.
He hates this country, but says he is a patriot, he has a picture of the queen on the inside of his homework jotter, he sings Rule Britannia every night but doesn't know the words. His bedspread is a spunk stained Union Jack and he has pictures of Kate Middleton on his pillows. On his bookshelf between his copies of the Beano and Dandy is his treasured copy of Mein Kampf. Every morning he goose steps into the bathroom where mummy washes his face for him and puts his elasticated school tie around his neck.
When he gets to school, the girls ignore him, he blames them because he is a real man like Nige, but the girls think his tweed jacket looks a bit silly on a 9 year old. He lights up a fag like Nige and the girls laugh some more, he likes being laughed at, it makes him aroused, so he reads some quotes from Mein Kampf, the girls don't understand German though and giggle at him, unperturbed he invades the juniors playground. The big boys are playing football and he wants to join in but they laugh at him because he is smaller than tiny Tommy and tell him to go and play hopscotch with the girls. He hides away and slinks back to the classroom where the girls catch him having a crafty wank over a picture of Katie Hopkins. They laugh at him and he hates them, he hates them all, the hate grows and grows. On the way he sees little Winston whose dad was from Trinidad, so he tells him to go home, Winston laughs at him and says I am at home this is my house. He hates Winston, Nige would hate Winston and he does too, he says to himself Winston probably came here on a dinghy from Trinidad i wish he had drowned.
bluethrunthru
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four Bluemooners are in favour of people fleeing conflicts being left to drown. Makes you think doesn't it?
About all those who think it but wouldn't put their name to it.four Bluemooners are in favour of people fleeing conflicts being left to drown. Makes you think doesn't it?
metalblue
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four Bluemooners are in favour of people fleeing conflicts being left to drown. Makes you think doesn't it?
Nobody wants it televised though. I guess it makes uncomfortable viewing.
dave_blue12
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About all those who think it but wouldn't put their name to it.
Those will be the Tory voters then.
In my mind you can't vote for despicable cunts and then when they behave like despicable cunts pretend like it has nothing to do with you and then vote for the twats again at the next election.
You are both responsible and despicable.
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.four Bluemooners are in favour of people fleeing conflicts being left to drown. Makes you think doesn't it?
The proper answer is save people and obey the law, but that’s not on the list.
In fact the question poses a kind of Farage-style trap where the only answer to an issue is an extreme one. Saving people at sea in UK waters doesn’t breach any law, so to suggest the alternative courses of action are either illegality or the death of innocents is a nonsense.
The current situation of a charitably funded largely volunteer organisation having to try save increasing numbers at sea will lead to deaths sooner or later. The question shouldn’t be whether we let that situation continue or not, but how we stop it. However, that’s a practical question, so I don’t expect any answer to it as this is a complex real world issue not a false black and white moral debate.