The RSF, The UAE and the killings in Sudan

Kippax Kidd said:
Seen some tweets about this last night. Please someone tell me its nonsense. The clips I seen in Sudan are beyond anything I could type here. I'd genuinely never step foot in the Etihad if this is true.
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Pretty much undeniable that the UAE are involved heavily and sheikhy as part if the ruling family and government will be involved somehow, plenty of pictures of him with Hemedti the warlord leading the RSF who is being backed with finacial aid as well as arms.

Britain are selling arms to UAE they are selling them on to the RSF, and UN security council reports have confirmed a supply chain, also british built armed vehicles sold to the UAE in Libya and Yemen.
 
halfcenturyup said:
It was in the fucking City forum. And then it wasn't. Why? Because it's fuck all to do with football. Here in the Off-Topic politics is the place for useless moralising.
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League titles over morals hey!
 
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I am not gonna stop supporting city, but if like the abramovich situation, the governement had the balls to make any owner backing genocidal actions and war mongering sell up, I couldn't argue that we would need to be sold as our owner by association at most is complicit.

But that will never happen because as is seen Britain is also complicit and we have system that thinks a sex pest and preditor in our ruling house is sufficiently punished by bei given a slighlty smaller mansion and no fancy title so dead african babies mean fuck all to them
 
halfcenturyup said:
It was in the fucking City forum. And then it wasn't. Why? Because it's fuck all to do with football. Here in the Off-Topic politics is the place for useless moralising.
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Entirely my fault regrettably, I posted something in the Media thread about Facebook, I've now got my first ever(and last) thread in the Politics thread since it's been moved. I never even visit the bloody Politics thread :(
 
We are better than this. I feel like they have tricked us as fans, somewhat pacified us. We can stand on our own two feet with the infrastructure they have built for us.

I want their slimey hands off our club ASAP.

How can I explain this stuff to my little boy who loves City.

This makes me sick
 
mac said:
The uk will have been involved in more shit over the years. Are you fucking off from here as well
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The thing is, the population will stop voting for a party where they have been involved with shit like this, they will take to the streets and protest them… our fanbase haven’t been doing that though, nether did Chelsea’s… they even sang Abramovich’s name after he’d been forced hand over Chelsea as an asset following UK sanctions of anyone related to Putin’s regime following the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which I thought was crass (Chelsea’s singing of his name, that is).

UAE have been involved in Sudan since 2023 but have been involved in Yemen since 2015. That’s a decade where we’ve ignored UAE’s links to war crimes with the DPM/VP being CFG’s majority shareholder. And I knew it was going on, so I too spent years sweeping it under the carpet.

But it’s been about two years that I’ve been feeling a bit uneasy about Mansour and the UAE. Firstly, it came into my head when I looked at the protestors of the UK govt and Israel over Israel:Gaza and wondered how many City fans were amongst them and why they’d protest our govt but not City/Mansour when our club have inextricable links to UAE.

I would read news about Russia:Ukraine and Israel:Gaza, it also got me reading about UAE in Sudan and Yemen. I brought it up in this forum once not long ago and didn’t get much response. Over the years the only poster on this website I’ve ever seen say he doesn’t like Mansour being our owner due to all this, is @Rascal who said it a few years back, and @SWP's back who said the UAE involvement in Yemen was appalling when I conversed in posts with him about UAE and Qatar relations ahead of the Qatar World Cup.

Now, I’m not saying we should protest about this (as I’ve said, I’m not much of a protestor myself), and I’m not sure about what stance we should take as a fanbase yet. But I think as a fanbase we should own this a bit more and be prepared to get uncomfortable by gaining more knowledge on the situation and about Mansour’s involvement in it, not just in Sudan but in Yemen n’all.

That would be my starting point here (I was asked about that in an earlier post a few pages back); let’s get more knowledgable about it as a fanbase and see what we think then. Not just saying ‘oh well, never mind, it goes on at other clubs too and in other sports, and with the government, so fuck it, carry on’ nor jump to demanding Mansour sells the club or the govt demands he does… but let’s just all own it a bit more and see how it makes us feel.
 
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And utd being business partners of Saudi Arabia doesn't matter. A regime that murders the free press. Utd get nowhere near the same shite Newcastle get. Still don't, freely allowed to carry on with that. The media just don't want to highlight it.

There's dodginess all over football, it should not only matter when it's a non- red club.

And I as a City fan am not going to hammer my club when other clubs get a free media pass on such important things.
 
mancboy said:
See this is what i hate, if we are going to get into politics and region specific things then we should also talk about the american weapons flooding multiple countries, does that make all american owners complicit in any atrocities that are happening within those countries or is it a bit more complex than that.

it is such a massively simplistic way of viewing a hugely complex situation to suggest that a businessman who also happens to be part of the government in the uae is directly responsible for events happening in a foreign country unless you want to make that leap to use it as a stick to beat city.

Now i am not saying that the discussions shouldnt be had what i am saying is that we really need to break away from the hivemind idea that all the middle east is bad and directly responsible for any issues that happen in any other country just by association which is what the bots on social media and the myopic british press want you to believe and delve into the nuances and realities which cross all borders and countries and not take such a simplistic view of brown skin middle eastern people are bad and white british and american people are good, its just not that simple.
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That would depend if any of the american owners are part of the government or work within the arms industry.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
And utd being business partners of Saudi Arabia doesn't matter. A regime that murders the free press. Utd get nowhere near the same shite Newcastle get. Still don't, freely allowed to carry on with that. The media just don't want to highlight it.

There's dodginess all over football, it should not only matter when it's a non- red club.

And I as a City fan am not going to hammer my club when other clubs get a free media pass on such important things.
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I agree there has been huge hypocrisy, over this, owned by Arabs bad, sponsored by Arabs okay. Its nonsense. We know where football stands(not the fans) they keep giving them competitions.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
And utd being business partners of Saudi Arabia doesn't matter. A regime that murders the free press. Utd get nowhere near the same shite Newcastle get. Still don't, freely allowed to carry on with that. The media just don't want to highlight it.

There's dodginess all over football, it should not only matter when it's a non- red club.

And I as a City fan am not going to hammer my club when other clubs get a free media pass on such important things.
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tbf a lot of the comments on social media over this UAE related inolvemmet is also targeted at Arsenal and Real Madrid so it isn't about hammering city but the owners.

And no one here is hammering city, we are all blues and the ground will be full tomorrow, but the question of are we loyal to the club or to the owner who brought us the years of success.

We were here before the take over and will be here long after, so do you take a moral stand and call out our owners for this genocide or ignore it?

Being disgusted at what the UAE government is doing which bu. all acounts includes our owner is not being disloyal to Manchester City


As for Saudi and others more should be pointed out I agree
 
mancboy said:
Well you absolutely are saying that, why are our owners as BUSINESSMAN more important to us than any other BUSINESSMEN owners of other clubs, because one has a government position, do you honestly believe that all these billionaire owners of other clubs have nothing to do with any politics and steer completely clear, so once again i ask why is it more important that our fanbase look into this than it is for any other fanbase to look into their ownerships influence into political matters in their own countries.
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That sounds rather like Clausewitz. "War is the continuation of politics by other means." I don’t think what's happening in Sudan can be dismissed as just "politics" - or just "war".
 
Craig said:
League titles over morals hey!
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Interesting that that is your reaction. My morals are entirely consistent - they don't bend with the latest news story, and certainly not under pressure from a fucking football forum. I am leaving my pitchfork in the garden shed for now but will see if any future reputable news changes that situation. If you don't like it, I really don't care.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Who the fuck is iTsAnToOnY and why should I read anything by a guy with a handle like that? Serious question, by the way, I am happy I read anything that adds to my knowledge.
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No idea nor do I care, but if scroll to the bottom theres a call to post on any City related social pages as a way to highlight the issue, Id assume there's other similar articles, a response to the post about socials suddenly being flooded about the (awful) topic
 
mac said:
Why should our fans base worry about other countries policy's. Most fans are struggling to keep their fucking family's afloat. I keep hearing politics should not be involved with sport. Unless its City then. Couldn't fucking care less , and you know what I don't think you do either
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Nice
 
Vic said:
That sounds rather like Clausewitz. "War is the continuation of politics by other means." I don’t think what's happening in Sudan can be dismissed as just "politics" - or just "war".
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It is clearly politics and war as well as geopolitics and genocide. The UAE has every right to protect its strategic interests in Sudan by supporting a particular side. No problem at all with that. What we don't know is to what extent, if any, they are involved in the genocide (I am assuming none) or to what extent they are trying to rein in the RSF (I am assuming we will never know, these people are secretive, they don't do geopolitics by tweet). Tbh, I doubt anything is ever so clear cut that people on a football forum can get to the bottom of it so I am keeping my powder dry.
 
Salford in the City said:
Ok, so after we consider it, what's the next step?

Demonstrations against the guy who saved us?
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Saved us? Haha. There isn't a next step really, we are just discussing world events without fear of mentioning those involved.

The "shush you lot we are winning games now" crowd stand out a mile on here.
 
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