The Russians are on their way...why am I not shocked.

[bluemanc]

USA has sent 6 fighters to Balkans,you can bet Submarines are also in the area.
Oh dear.

 

[Atypical]

USA has sent 6 fighters to Balkans,you can bet Submarines are also in the area.
Oh dear.

Typical yanks couldn't find Ukraine on a map.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The pro western side in Ukraine are just trying to protect their independence as a country and rightly so, Russia is rushing in and taking a opportunity solely based on civil unrest. They need to be stopped.

 

[bluemanc]

USA has sent 6 fighters to Balkans,you can bet Submarines are also in the area.
Oh dear.

Typical yanks couldn't find Ukraine on a map.

UK?nah they arent that stupid.

 

[CITYBOY1000]

The pro western side in Ukraine are just trying to protect their independence as a country and rightly so, Russia is rushing in and taking a opportunity solely based on civil unrest. They need to be stopped.

Just being the devil's advocate but the pro-Russian crowd are just trying to protect what independence they had before the pro-western coup.

The Crimean region, which has pretty much always been part of Russia and is full of Russians are resisting a coup from the heart of the predominently Ukrainian capital.

I don't know the full story and don't profess to be an expert. But, I known one thing.

There are two sides to every story.

 

[rickmcfc]

The pro western side in Ukraine are just trying to protect their independence as a country and rightly so, Russia is rushing in and taking a opportunity solely based on civil unrest. They need to be stopped.

Just being the devil's advocate but the pro-Russian crowd are just trying to protect what independence they had before the pro-western coup.

The Crimean region, which has pretty much always been part of Russia and is full of Russians are resisting a coup from the heart of the predominently Ukrainian capital.

I don't know the full story and don't profess to be an expert. But, I known one thing.

There are two sides to every story.

A proportion of Bradford is mainly habited by Pakistani people. Does that mean that they should be able to class themselves as Pakistan, and that the Pakistan government should be able to come over here and claim it as their own?

 

[Skashion]

The pro western side in Ukraine are just trying to protect their independence as a country and rightly so, Russia is rushing in and taking a opportunity solely based on civil unrest. They need to be stopped.

Russia is rushing in and taking something that for the vast majority of its history has belonged to them and where ethnic Russians outnumber ethnic Ukrainians by over a two-and-a-half to one ratio. The Ukraine was only given the Crimea by Russia as essentially a diplomatic gesture during the Soviet era and obviously under the presumption that the Ukraine and Russia would remain joined under the Soviet Union. There was no transfer of sovereignty when it was handed over because it all fell under the umbrella of the Soviet Union. Now this materially-empty gesture in the Soviet era apparently means something material and apparently the west has a right to interfere when it's none of our business. Would we take a blind bit of notice Russia telling us what to do with Northern Ireland, Gibraltar or the Falklands? Would we fuck - and all those cases are less straightforward than the Crimea. It's absurd to expect Russia take any notice of the west about trying to regain territory a) it has a hugely legitimate claim to b) where the majority of citizens want Russian sovereignty and where the Parliament has just voted to join Russia. Unless Russian soldiers are massacring ethnic Ukrainians, we've no right to interfere.

 

[malg]

The media are pinning their colours to the mast - see the front cover to the new issue of The Economist!

 

[blue-trig]

Is it just me who sees shades of Sudetenland in all this?

 

[BlueHammer85]

The pro western side in Ukraine are just trying to protect their independence as a country and rightly so, Russia is rushing in and taking a opportunity solely based on civil unrest. They need to be stopped.

Russia is rushing in and taking something that for the vast majority of its history has belonged to them and where ethnic Russians outnumber ethnic Ukrainians by over a two-and-a-half to one ratio. The Ukraine was only given the Crimea by Russia as essentially a diplomatic gesture during the Soviet era and obviously under the presumption that the Ukraine and Russia would remain joined under the Soviet Union. There was no transfer of sovereignty when it was handed over because it all fell under the umbrella of the Soviet Union. Now this materially-empty gesture in the Soviet era apparently means something material and apparently the west has a right to interfere when it's none of our business. Would we take a blind bit of notice Russia telling us what to do with Northern Ireland, Gibraltar or the Falklands? Would we fuck - and all those cases are less straightforward than the Crimea. It's absurd to expect Russia take any notice of the west about trying to regain territory a) it has a hugely legitimate claim to b) where the majority of citizens want Russian sovereignty and where the Parliament has just voted to join Russia. Unless Russian soldiers are massacring ethnic Ukrainians, we've no right to interfere.

Good answer as always Skashion