Skashion
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Cheers, on the morrow then.SWP's back said:
The Russians are on their way...why am I not shocked.
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Challenger1978
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So the worlds not ended yet ?
Great hopefully i get to see city win the league again this year.
Great hopefully i get to see city win the league again this year.
Ducado
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It has got a touch of the Sudetenland crisis about it, in fact more than a touch it's quite frighteningly so
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I am no political expert so feel free to shoot me down. I think now that a number of areas and countries have seen what has happened and what Putin's expansionist ideas are they will follow the Crimea's lead. Watch out for protests and riots in the main cities in East Ukraine, these will be manipulated so that Russia, or should I say the "home defence" force, will have to go into these cities to protect the Russian population, this will end up in sham elections that will allow these cities being part of the Russian Federation, Ukraine as we now know it will be split into two, roughly 50/50.
Moving on the the Baltic states, Lithuania and Latvia, there is a significant Russian population in these countries, I think there will be a ramping up of pressure on the governments of these countries by protest rallies by Russians which will be put down by the governments, this will then be used as an excuse to have the "home defence" force to go and protect the Russian residents of the countries, the governments will fall, a sham election will be called, boycotted by the Lithuanian/Latvian people, the election will be declared a full mandate for these countries to become part of the Russian federation which will be duly signed on to by the Kremlin.
This is my view, please feel free to pull it apart.
Moving on the the Baltic states, Lithuania and Latvia, there is a significant Russian population in these countries, I think there will be a ramping up of pressure on the governments of these countries by protest rallies by Russians which will be put down by the governments, this will then be used as an excuse to have the "home defence" force to go and protect the Russian residents of the countries, the governments will fall, a sham election will be called, boycotted by the Lithuanian/Latvian people, the election will be declared a full mandate for these countries to become part of the Russian federation which will be duly signed on to by the Kremlin.
This is my view, please feel free to pull it apart.
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You may be right, I'd only say that Lithuania and (to a lesser extent) Latvia have pretty decent economies. Therefore, people may not be as motivated to support any kind of upheaval. Ukraine's economy is a basket-case and has been for a while, Crimea's especially so.
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RadcliffeRick said:
That is your view. Can't pull it a part as it's your own. My view is that the new leader in Ukraine will see how this has gone and will not do the same in other areas of the country (too the mainly culturally Russian population) and as a result Russia will not try to gain more ground. I don't think Russia had planned this I just think as all leaders do "why waste a great opportunity"
Crimea back to Russia game over.
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nijinsky's fetlocks said:
Yep and I let him have my copies of the MEN.
oakiecokie
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Update from today folks :
Russia Bans Politicians In Obama Retaliation
US President Barack Obama has announced a series of fresh sanctions against Russia over its actions in Ukraine - prompting an immediate retaliation from Moscow.
In a speech on the White House lawn, Mr Obama said individuals linked to the Russian government would be targeted for increased sanctions. A bank supporting those individuals will also be hit.
And the US is working with the European Union on a series of more stringent measures should the Kremlin continue in what Mr Obama described as an "illegitimate" incursion into the Crimean peninsula.
"We've been working closely with our European partners to develop more severe actions that could be taken if Russia continues to escalate the situation," said Mr Obama.
"I signed a new executive order today that gives us the authority to impose sanctions not just on individuals but on key sectors of the Russian economy."
Russia's Foreign Ministry has responded by announcing retaliatory sanctions which it says will "hit the United States like a boomerang".
"There should be no doubt: each hostile attack will be met in an adequate manner," the ministry said.
Nine US officials and politicians have been banned from Russia.
A list released by the Foreign Ministry included Deputy National Security Adviser Benjamin Rhodes and senators John McCain, Harry Reid, Daniel Coats and Mary Landrieu.
House of Representatives speaker John Boehner and the Head of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee Robert Menendez are also barred alongside aides of Mr Obama, Caroline Atkinson and Daniel Pfeiffer.
A spokesman for Mr Boehner said he was pleased to be on the list.
"The Speaker is proud to be included on a list of those willing to stand against Putin's aggression," said Michael Steel.
Mr Obama has ruled out military action but his statement comes as EU leaders meet in Brussels to discuss an expansion of its own sanctions.
Further bank account freezes and travel bans on all those linked to the crisis is on the EU's agenda, and wider trade and financial restrictions are now under consideration.
The G8 - a group of leading industrial nations, including Russia - has been suspended until the crisis is resolved.
"The EU summit today and tomorrow will make clear that we are ready at any time to introduce phase-three measures if there is a worsening of the situation," German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
"As long as there is no political climate for an important format such as the G8, as is the case at the moment, the G8 no longer exists. Neither does the summit nor the format as such."
Europe's dependency on Russian gas will also be discussed by EU leaders.
Arriving at the summit, Prime Minister David Cameron revealed Ukraine would be offered closer links with the EU.
He said: "One of the things we must do at this council is sign a new agreement with Ukraine offering them a prosperous future, access to our markets and real political support."
Despite the increasing threat of economic sanctions, the Kremlin has cranked up its attempt to absorb Crimea into Russia.
Troops have seized military bases on the peninsula and on Thursday Russia's deputy defence minister Yuri Borisov said their military presence in Crimea would be bolstered to protect against "all possible encroachments" and to make it "a worthy representative of the Russian Federation".
This came as Russia's lower house of parliament overwhelmingly approved a treaty to annex Crimea from Ukraine.
There is now just one legal obstacle before Crimea is absorbed by Moscow - ratification from Russia's upper house. Little opposition is expected there.
Ukrainian troops in Crimea are currently being redeployed to the mainland by the Kiev government.
Ukrainian navy commander Serhiy Haiduk and several other hostages were detained by Crimean authorities on Wednesday but have now been released.
Meanwhile, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon travelled to Russia to meet Mr Putin on Thursday.
As talks started, Mr Ban said he was "deeply concerned" at the current situation.
The UN chief will fly to Kiev for talks with Ukraine's acting president and prime minister on Friday.
Russia Bans Politicians In Obama Retaliation
US President Barack Obama has announced a series of fresh sanctions against Russia over its actions in Ukraine - prompting an immediate retaliation from Moscow.
In a speech on the White House lawn, Mr Obama said individuals linked to the Russian government would be targeted for increased sanctions. A bank supporting those individuals will also be hit.
And the US is working with the European Union on a series of more stringent measures should the Kremlin continue in what Mr Obama described as an "illegitimate" incursion into the Crimean peninsula.
"We've been working closely with our European partners to develop more severe actions that could be taken if Russia continues to escalate the situation," said Mr Obama.
"I signed a new executive order today that gives us the authority to impose sanctions not just on individuals but on key sectors of the Russian economy."
Russia's Foreign Ministry has responded by announcing retaliatory sanctions which it says will "hit the United States like a boomerang".
"There should be no doubt: each hostile attack will be met in an adequate manner," the ministry said.
Nine US officials and politicians have been banned from Russia.
A list released by the Foreign Ministry included Deputy National Security Adviser Benjamin Rhodes and senators John McCain, Harry Reid, Daniel Coats and Mary Landrieu.
House of Representatives speaker John Boehner and the Head of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee Robert Menendez are also barred alongside aides of Mr Obama, Caroline Atkinson and Daniel Pfeiffer.
A spokesman for Mr Boehner said he was pleased to be on the list.
"The Speaker is proud to be included on a list of those willing to stand against Putin's aggression," said Michael Steel.
Mr Obama has ruled out military action but his statement comes as EU leaders meet in Brussels to discuss an expansion of its own sanctions.
Further bank account freezes and travel bans on all those linked to the crisis is on the EU's agenda, and wider trade and financial restrictions are now under consideration.
The G8 - a group of leading industrial nations, including Russia - has been suspended until the crisis is resolved.
"The EU summit today and tomorrow will make clear that we are ready at any time to introduce phase-three measures if there is a worsening of the situation," German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
"As long as there is no political climate for an important format such as the G8, as is the case at the moment, the G8 no longer exists. Neither does the summit nor the format as such."
Europe's dependency on Russian gas will also be discussed by EU leaders.
Arriving at the summit, Prime Minister David Cameron revealed Ukraine would be offered closer links with the EU.
He said: "One of the things we must do at this council is sign a new agreement with Ukraine offering them a prosperous future, access to our markets and real political support."
Despite the increasing threat of economic sanctions, the Kremlin has cranked up its attempt to absorb Crimea into Russia.
Troops have seized military bases on the peninsula and on Thursday Russia's deputy defence minister Yuri Borisov said their military presence in Crimea would be bolstered to protect against "all possible encroachments" and to make it "a worthy representative of the Russian Federation".
This came as Russia's lower house of parliament overwhelmingly approved a treaty to annex Crimea from Ukraine.
There is now just one legal obstacle before Crimea is absorbed by Moscow - ratification from Russia's upper house. Little opposition is expected there.
Ukrainian troops in Crimea are currently being redeployed to the mainland by the Kiev government.
Ukrainian navy commander Serhiy Haiduk and several other hostages were detained by Crimean authorities on Wednesday but have now been released.
Meanwhile, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon travelled to Russia to meet Mr Putin on Thursday.
As talks started, Mr Ban said he was "deeply concerned" at the current situation.
The UN chief will fly to Kiev for talks with Ukraine's acting president and prime minister on Friday.
dazdon
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As yet there are no sanctions against another certain country who bombed Syria this week.
Sometimes things just don't make any sense.
Sometimes things just don't make any sense.
Skashion
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Israel has occupied the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank for nearly fifty years and has received tens of billions in US aid in doing it. Conducting airstrikes inside neighbouring countries doesn't even register in Israel's sovereignty violation game. They could probably target a nuclear cruise missile in the centre of Washington DC and some of the senators and congressmen and women in the midst of levelled buildings and radioactivity would authorise a large rise in aid to Israel and reiterate its right to defend itself against the handful of US politicians who'd vote against its interests.dazdon said:
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Ducado
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All we need now is a couple of verses of the Horst-Wessel-Lied and this thread will be complete
Ducado
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buzzer1 said:
I have no problem with people drawing comparisons Buzzer, I did ask earlier in the thread if it was ever OK to annex or occupy a country, the silence was deafening, it seems that it's perfectly OK to do so as long as the the country doing the annexing are not Jewish or a member of NATO
Skashion
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I think you'll find I quite support the rights of the people of Northern Ireland, the Falklands, and Gibraltar to be part of or have their national government be the United Kingdom by virtue of a vote. Unlucky Ducado, I'm not the one being hypocritical here, it's the west.Ducado said: