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Saddleworth2 said:
Nice post mate. Most snp voters are not bigots or anti English. Sadly a minority still are. Most just want what they see as best for Scotland. A modern progressive caring society that is an integral part of Europe.
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I know no voting Tory who now votes SNP and supports independence. Folk don’t realise that a vote for the SNP is very much a vote for Independence and not necessarily an endorsement of the actual party. If/when independence is implemented tge SNP will just become another party amongst others, new ones will emerge and older ones will evolve.

Those that support going it alone want a better fairer society that Westminster can’t deliver, North England could maybe even benefit from a more devolved power as everything seems to be London centric. Folk that conjured up Brexit in Oxford couldn’t give a fuck about Moss Side, Leith or any other place containing folk they’ll never ever encounter.

Of course there’s an anti english element who vote SNP but that’s just a reflection of society. Not every Tory voter is a racist, not every Labour voter is a Commie. Unfortunately society contains arseholes, and they cover every big if the political spectrum.


Fwiw I used to be a snp member, was kinda active in party helping with leafleting etc. I now vote Green.
 
Koniec said:
I know no voting Tory who now votes SNP and supports independence. Folk don’t realise that a vote for the SNP is very much a vote for Independence and not necessarily an endorsement of the actual party. If/when independence is implemented tge SNP will just become another party amongst others, new ones will emerge and older ones will evolve.

Those that support going it alone want a better fairer society that Westminster can’t deliver, North England could maybe even benefit from a more devolved power as everything seems to be London centric. Folk that conjured up Brexit in Oxford couldn’t give a fuck about Moss Side, Leith or any other place containing folk they’ll never ever encounter.

Of course there’s an anti english element who vote SNP but that’s just a reflection of society. Not every Tory voter is a racist, not every Labour voter is a Commie. Unfortunately society contains arseholes, and they cover every big if the political spectrum.
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I could have written that myself.

There is also a segment that vote SNP but don’t support independence. They just favour the more progressive policies that in the main the SNP have pushed rather that Tory lite Labour.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I could have written that myself.

There is also a segment that vote SNP but don’t support independence. They just favour the more progressive policies that in the main the SNP have pushed rather that Tory lite Labour.
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That’s true, my mum, Ulster woman, votes snp but voted NO. Id probably be a Labour voter as I liked John Smith, Blair kinda ruined the party for many up here and as you say they are very much viewed as Tory lite. Starmer is just another wank from Oxford.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I could have written that myself.

There is also a segment that vote SNP but don’t support independence. They just favour the more progressive policies that in the main the SNP have pushed rather that Tory lite Labour.
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I voted SNP,while voting No in the last referendum in the last referendum.Simply beacuse their centre left policies,and their record in delivery were the nearest match to my politics especially with Labour in the wilderness.
At the next general election I’ll be voting SNP, to hopefully get my sitting tory MP out.
While I can see SNP difficulties and issues at the moment I think I still support them with a few doubts, but lack of alternatives,they still provide the nearest to my politics. Oddly while my support for SNP politics has wavered a bit, my support for independence has grown.
 
blueparrot said:
I voted SNP,while voting No in the last referendum in the last referendum.Simply beacuse their centre left policies,and their record in delivery were the nearest match to my politics especially with Labour in the wilderness.
At the next general election I’ll be voting SNP, to hopefully get my sitting tory MP out.
While I can see SNP difficulties and issues at the moment I think I still support them with a few doubts, but lack of alternatives,they still provide the nearest to my politics. Oddly while my support for SNP politics has wavered a bit, my support for independence has grown.
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The SNP are a means to an end for many.
 
Koniec said:
The SNP are a means to an end for many.
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Maybe,but they only won the confidence of voters and stopped being seen as single issue party, by being a competent party of government. A party doesn’t win the elections and number of Westminster seats they have over the last decade ir so without having domestic policies that the electorate support.
Remember the first few Scottish parliaments were Labour / Liberal coalitions, the SNP had a lot of convincing to prove they could be a competent government.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Well yes partially.

From ONS

London saw the largest change in its net fiscal balance, moving from a £40.5 billion net fiscal surplus to a £7.2 billion net fiscal deficit, which is the smallest net fiscal deficit in the UK.

The North West and the West Midlands both had the largest net fiscal deficit with £49.9 billion and £37.1 billion respectively.

On a per person basis, London had the lowest net fiscal deficit per person at £800 per head, while Northern Ireland had the highest net fiscal deficit at £9,500 per head. The UK average for net fiscal deficit per head was £4,740.

The only difference is Scotland wants out of a broken UK which has to all intents and purposes implemented trading sanctions on itself.
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Be careful what you wish for. Out of the frying pan and into the fire springs to mind. Lol
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I could have written that myself.

There is also a segment that vote SNP but don’t support independence. They just favour the more progressive policies that in the main the SNP have pushed rather that Tory lite Labour.
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Out of interest Saddleworth what are those progressive policies ?
 
blueparrot said:
I voted SNP,while voting No in the last referendum in the last referendum.Simply beacuse their centre left policies,and their record in delivery were the nearest match to my politics especially with Labour in the wilderness.
At the next general election I’ll be voting SNP, to hopefully get my sitting tory MP out.
While I can see SNP difficulties and issues at the moment I think I still support them with a few doubts, but lack of alternatives,they still provide the nearest to my politics. Oddly while my support for SNP politics has wavered a bit, my support for independence has grown.
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I’m in pretty much the same place.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Well I could Google, but I am guessing what you mean by progressive policies is give aways which cost money? Is that what you mean? Give aways that are easy to pay for when your spending is subsidised by the UK. Hence the be careful what you wish for
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I understand what I am wishing for and would be happy enough to pay for it. I hope enough of Scot’s will be similarly persuaded.
The policies of the Scottish government are paid for through the Barnett formulae which provides funding for every area of the Uk and from Revenue raised in Scotland. Btw the NW isn’t looking too clever.
The UK is subsidised by increases to national debt too. Are you against all give aways that are ‘subsidised’ or just those in Scotland?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I understand what I am wishing for and would be happy enough to pay for it. I hope enough of Scot’s will be similarly persuaded.
The policies of the Scottish government are paid for through the Barnett formulae which provides funding for every area of the Uk and from Revenue raised in Scotland. Btw the NW isn’t looking too clever.
The UK is subsidised by increases to national debt too. Are you against all give aways that are ‘subsidised’ or just those in Scotland?
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You and I both know that no matter how you spin it, your popular progressive policies are subsidised by the UK as a whole, and that you would be worse off if you left. I guess I just wanted to remind you of that as its often forgotten by SNP politicians and supporters.

I personally think all UK expenditure should be fair without regional politically driven subsidies and while your still part of the UK, Scotland should be treated in this manner aswell. Anyway we have had this conversation previously. Have a good night.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Be careful what you wish for. Out of the frying pan and into the fire springs to mind. Lol
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Can't quite work out what this particular frying pan is made of. But it seems to have retained so much latent shit that it is now hotter and more damaging than the fire.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I could have written that myself.

There is also a segment that vote SNP but don’t support independence. They just favour the more progressive policies that in the main the SNP have pushed rather that Tory lite Labour.
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And then you have the layer of people like me, who don't vote snp, but are happy enough to have them in government and live in the society that elects them. Recognising what they offer, the line they tread, and that while they have their issues and things that aren't for us, there really is no other credible party I'd fancy our chances with.

Not because they are particularly good, just that they are the best of a shit bunch. Even maybe this version of them, which is the weakest and poorest it has been in decades.

I could be wrong and out of turn but I'd hazard a guess even @blueinsa who is their biggest critic, at least at times finds himself thinking something similar.

But I guess that's easy to do when it is all paid for directly and exclusively by posters in England, snore.
 
Coatigan said:
And then you have the layer of people like me, who don't vote snp, but are happy enough to have them in government and live in the society that elects them. Recognising what they offer, the line they tread, and that while they have their issues and things that aren't for us, there really is no other credible party I'd fancy our chances with.

Not because they are particularly good, just that they are the best of a shit bunch. Even maybe this version of them, which is the weakest and poorest it has been in decades.

I could be wrong and out of turn but I'd hazard a guess even @blueinsa who is their biggest critic, at least at times finds himself thinking something similar.

But I guess that's easy to do when it is all paid for directly and exclusively by posters in England, snore.
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Hard truths.
 
First Minister cancels Independance speech as rumours grow he is about to resign.

Pretty clear his days are numbered and he either goes now or they vote no confidence in him.
 
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