The Scottish Politics thread

[west didsblue]

Yep, seems I was wrong - thanks for putting me right. Apologies - it seems my inability to consider any view but my own has led to me adopting a position of ignorance based upon an empty rather than an open mind.

Although you were attempting sarcasm / irony you have unwittingly hit the nail on the head.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Did the oil in the North sea move to the English channel overnight?

Why is this so hard for you to understand. This isnt Scottish oil, anymore than its all London's cash that the finance industry brings in down there. Its the UKs money. Scotland isnt an undependent sovereign state. You havent been for over 300 years.

I certainly won't bother getting into discussion about the oil revenue break even point and UK subsidies in the north sea oil industry with you if you are unable to grasp the above simple point. Have a good day.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I agree that without brexit the debate around another referendum may not exist, but you also have to take this in the context of the SNP being desperate to constantly raise their single issue for existence to the top of the agenda. I personally don't see the current success of the SNP as either a ringing endorsement of remain or independence per se, but rather an expression by the Scottish electorate of their disdain for the current state of the two main Westminster options.
The SNP are an effective campaign group, but not as effective in government as they pretend to be once you scratch below the surface. If they become the govt of an independent Scotland they lose both their reason to exist (see Farage post brexit), and also their current get out of jail card of blaming Westminster for their own failings in govt.

A succinct and very apt post.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

That’s obviously nonsense, there’s a reason they have been in government for 12 years and look like ‘breaking’ the system again in spring for a second time increasing their vote and winning an overall majority. You don’t do that by being a single issue campaign group.
Comparisons to Farage equally ridiculous. They have governed and ran the economy and services for years unlike Farage. Even after losing a referendum they were re-elected.Have they done it all well? Thats another matter but to keep winning elections then I’d say they have done it to more peoples satisfaction than not.
Comparing the SNP to the Brexit party shows a total lack of understanding of Scottish politics and the parties.

Interesting to see how the SNP would fare if they were governing Scotland on the same money as the English Regions. I doubt they would be so popular? They say the Scots are a canny people. And theres no denying Sturgeon plays her cards well.

 

[Fame Monster]

Why is this so hard for you to understand. This isnt Scottish oil, anymore than its all London's cash that the finance industry brings in down there. Its the UKs money. Scotland isnt an undependent sovereign state. You havent been for over 300 years.

I certainly won't bother getting into discussion about the oil revenue break even point and UK subsidies in the north sea oil industry with you if you are unable to grasp the above simple point. Have a good day.

I wouldn't mind but there's hardly any oil left and there's a good debate to be had about whether it's the right thing to do to extract the tiny amount that remains.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

A succinct and very apt post.

A load of bollocks apparently mate. I've already apologised.

 

[ganganvince]

I wouldn't mind but there's hardly any oil left and there's a good debate to be had about whether it's the right thing to do to extract the tiny amount that remains.

Scottish oil revenue is like Lord Percy's savings seen it, pinched it, spent it.

Percy: Do not despair! For I have some small savings carefully harvested from my weekly allowance, set aside against my frail old age. By lucky haps, it is just over a thousand, methinks, and for years has been hidden beyond the wit of any thief, in

A great memorable quote from the Blackadder show on Quotes.net

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[Churchlawtonblue]

A load of bollocks apparently mate. I've already apologised.

I can see the parallels in the SNP and Farrages party and their aims which was all you were pointing out. They are certainly a sensitive bunch on here. Not very like the Scots I know who are all sound people i might add.

 

[west didsblue]

Interesting to see how the SNP would fare if they were governing Scotland on the same money as the English Regions. I doubt they would be so popular? They say the Scots are a canny people. And theres no denying Sturgeon plays her cards well.

It probably hasn’t crossed your mind but the area of Scotland is around five times the size of NW England. The road length is about double. The coastline is probably 30 times longer than NW England. That’s comparing two areas with a similar population. Do you not think it might cost a bit more to provide services to an area that is so much bigger in area?

 

[blueparrot]

Interesting to see how the SNP would fare if they were governing Scotland on the same money as the English Regions. I doubt they would be so popular? They say the Scots are a canny people. And theres no denying Sturgeon plays her cards well.

Still on that old bandwagon,Well if she got independence she wouldn’t be on the same money as the regions.Though with covid out of date now the sustainable growth commision report gives a clear idea of how they see the economy long term. Whether you agree with it or not, and the SNP disagree with parts of it, it’s at least laid out there for all to see.
The point isn’t why they are popular still, it’s the fact they are governing with policies on health, welfare ,social care, education, the whole lot, something Farage and hibp never had.
In fact farage ‘s plan for brexit was to scare the tories into a referendum based on fear of losing votes and seats nothing more.
The SNP set out right at the start of devolution when the fear was Labour majorities for ever, hence the system was set up to prevent that.They knew the only way to independece was governing, they knew the only way to govern was to convince Scots that didn’t support independence they wee fit to govern, and then persuade on independence .
They couldn't be a one policy party, they needed to be a proper party. They have succeded in that, they hadn’t succeeded in convincing Scotland to back independence. They needed Brexit and Johnson to finally push that argument into possibility.