The Scottish Politics thread

[Ban-jani]

I suppose a fair question would be, what exactly do English Nationalists want? Their own parliament? separate parliaments for all, Scotland/NI/Wales as well.

What’s the purpose of a UK then?

Maybe English problems are as much emanating from a British Westminster government in the UK system as they are from Brussels?
Maybe inevitably the answer is the break up of a union within a union and the components then decide for themselves where they want to align their futures.

Here’s an article from last August that may be of interest.

English nationalism is misunderstood

Clash between the ‘establishment’ and the English is about aspirations for power, representation and democracy

www.google.com

Edit:
Sorry put the wrong article up originally.

It’s the EDL mate that are examples of English nationalism.

The SNP is the same shit but rather than hating brown people it’s repackaged as much more sophisticated and into an actual party but it’s the English they hate.

It’s a political movement with no sense in what it’s doing other than pushing for one thing that’s really going to harm them, they know this but want it for ideological reasons and that’s the style of politics I despise.

People fall hook line and sinker for it.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Are there? A party capable of turfing the Tories out of government in Westminster? What party would that be then mate?

Very good question that.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Very good question that.

Unfortunately there isn't a good answer.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Are there? A party capable of turfing the Tories out of government in Westminster? What party would that be then mate?

I think Starmer has a very good chance of winning the next GE. I like to judge governments after a period of time in office. But its clear that Johnsons government have made some cataclysmic errors in their handling of the covid crisis with regards to health and the economy. Clearly the oposition could have made the same errors or worse, but the fact remains they didn't as they wernt in power.

 

[Coatigan]

Oh and imagine an English politician launching a nationalist agenda on St George’s day.

What she’s done is pure jingoism.

Agree, for me that was a pretty poor choice, by any standard.

 

[Coatigan]

It’s the EDL mate that are examples of English nationalism.

The SNP is the same shit but rather than hating brown people it’s repackaged as much more sophisticated and into an actual party but it’s the English they hate.

It’s a political movement with no sense in what it’s doing other than pushing for one thing that’s really going to harm them, they know this but want it for ideological reasons and that’s the style of politics I despise.

People fall hook line and sinker for it.

Sorry, but that is complete nonsense and you know it.

Whether it has sense or not as a movement, fair enough, i can see how that is up for interpretation and opinion. The rest though, just plain wrong.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It’s the EDL mate that are examples of English nationalism.

The SNP is the same shit but rather than hating brown people it’s repackaged as much more sophisticated and into an actual party but it’s the English they hate.

It’s a political movement with no sense in what it’s doing other than pushing for one thing that’s really going to harm them, they know this but want it for ideological reasons and that’s the style of politics I despise.

People fall hook line and sinker for it.

Well put, although I would probably put them on a par with UKIP/Brexit party rather than the EDL tbf. There is also a huge ideological inconsistency in their pro-EU / anti UK stance which they are for some reason never really pressed on in terms of detail. That of course can be turned on its head - it is difficult to justify a UK leave position and be against Scottish independence - many of the arguments for and against are exactly the same.

 

[jaseirai]

Good article about the SNP here. Couldn’t find a non-gammony source though.

The hypocritical paradoxes of the SNP — brexit-watch.org

www.brexit-watch.org

 

[blueparrot]

Well put, although I would probably put them on a par with UKIP/Brexit party rather than the EDL tbf. There is also a huge ideological inconsistency in their pro-EU / anti UK stance which they are for some reason never really pressed on in terms of detail. That of course can be turned on its head - it is difficult to justify a UK leave position and be against Scottish independence - many of the arguments for and against are exactly the same.

Carry on.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I suppose a fair question would be, what exactly do English Nationalists want? Their own parliament? separate parliaments for all, Scotland/NI/Wales as well.

What’s the purpose of a UK then?

Maybe English problems are as much emanating from a British Westminster government in the UK system as they are from Brussels?
Maybe inevitably the answer is the break up of a union within a union and the components then decide for themselves where they want to align their futures.

Here’s an article from last August that may be of interest.

English nationalism is misunderstood

Clash between the ‘establishment’ and the English is about aspirations for power, representation and democracy

www.google.com

Edit:
Sorry put the wrong article up originally.

I found so many truths in that article, thanks for posting it.

'Labour has failed to establish a commanding poll lead among the same voters despite competing with an unpopular and incompetent government. Even electoral reformers and democracy campaigners shy away from recognising English aspirations to enjoy the same level of democracy as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. No mainstream party is willing to speak directly to England.

Many English-identifying voters want left-of-centre policies on the economy, public ownership, redistribution and the welfare state, but progressives’ reluctance to engage with their English agenda has left them in the hands of Brexiteers of one shade or another. Promises of more policing, NHS spending and immigration controls, as Brexit looms, suggest that Johnson and his adviser Dominic Cummings know which buttons to press. But the Brexiteer-English alliance is by no means secure. Leaving aside the difficulty of actually delivering, the inescapable logic of Brexit is to drive global market forces ever more deeply into the very communities desperate for protection from them.'

In my opinion, this is where Labour should concentrate their efforts. The Tory government will find it impossible to deliver on their promises (plus ca change). What will keep them in power is the vacuum left by an ineffective Labour Party. By addressing English politics; the inequality between regions, the lack of devolved power, the London centric investment, ironically a left of centre, credible, Labour political proposition, might just start to gain ground in Scotland.