Bluemoon isn’t a homework forum where you mark people’s posts to make sure they’re being consistent.Strikes me as odd that a lot of people - on here and in the media - who have no links to Scotland and no skin in this game are adamant that this is a resigning matter for Sturgeon.
Almost unanimously they remained silent and did not say that Cummings should have been sacked nor Suella Braverman when she broke the Ministerial Code nor did they think Rees-Mogg should have been sacked for lying to the Queen to illegally prorogue Parliament.
They say Sturgeon should resign for lying yet remain silent on the topic when Johnson is proven to lie in PMQ's every week.
About what? Sturgeon vs Salmond or Scottish Parliament operating honestly and by process.Any one else not give a fuck?
I just mean the whole thing is just petty and spiteful on both sides. I was interested when it looked like either Salmond or Sturgeon might 'win', but now they are just left both stinking vaguely of shit it's a bit less interesting I suppose.About what? Sturgeon vs Salmond or Scottish Parliament operating honestly and by process.
And your description of the situation up north, MSC, just strikes me as the sort of thing I've come to expect from our elected reps.I just mean the whole thing is just petty and spiteful on both sides. I was interested when it looked like either Salmond or Sturgeon might 'win', but now they are just left both stinking vaguely of shit it's a bit less interesting I suppose.
not really, i view nearly every politician with contempt these days.Any one else not give a fuck?
Regardless of all that you have to view it all through the prism of a Conservative Govt that is shit scared of separation and the break up of the Union using people like Andrew Neill to snipe from the side lines and write pieces in the press
Their fear is the break up and their tactic as ever is a smear campaign - gutter politics
You tend to get that with any ultra natationalist party, They collect all sorts.
i agree but the nationalist partys get more extremists i would say?
Any one else not give a fuck?
Ah the old 'whataboutery'. Its a Bluemoon classic isn't it. :)Bluemoon isn’t a homework forum where you mark people’s posts to make sure they’re being consistent.
People could be fucking appalled with Boris, Hancock and Postman Pat, but haven’t bothered to post about it. But came on this thread and something caught their eye to post about or reply to.
I think it goes beyond spite. I have some sympathy for Sturgeon. She has been let down very badly by the handling of the enquiry into Salmonds alleged misdemeanour and is pretty much fucked because of that. Salmond is out to oust the current government and I think rally some of the SNP to him. Sturgeon is not universally supported within the SNP. She is seen by some as a Unionist, too happy with the trappings of power and the status quo. Not sure where this s going to lead us but I think wherever it will be with a bang rather than fizzle out.I just mean the whole thing is just petty and spiteful on both sides. I was interested when it looked like either Salmond or Sturgeon might 'win', but now they are just left both stinking vaguely of shit it's a bit less interesting I suppose.
When you say some see her as a unionist, do you mean in the same manner as some saw Theresa May as a remainer negotiating to leave as that is what the party demanded.I think it goes beyond spite. I have some sympathy for Sturgeon. She has been let down very badly by the handling of the enquiry into Salmonds alleged misdemeanour and is pretty much fucked because of that. Salmond is out to oust the current government and I think rally some of the SNP to him. Sturgeon is not universally supported within the SNP. She is seen by some as a Unionist, too happy with the trappings of power and the status quo. Not sure where this s going to lead us but I think wherever it will be with a bang rather than fizzle out.
I’d say not so much a unionist, more too slow and cautious. Basically she understands she has to move slowly , to convince the electorate, to go with her. Not to win the election that’s pretty much done. To win any referendum is much more finely balanced.When you say some see her as a unionist, do you mean in the same manner as some saw Theresa May as a remainer negotiating to leave as that is what the party demanded.
If so, May was bound by the referendum result while Sturgeon wouldn’t be as your last ref voted to stay rather than leave.
So I don’t really understand the logic of seeing her as a unionist.
What am missing?
Not sure. The SNP being relatively united is actually unusual for a political party, most contain factions and leading them is the art of preventing all out war - just look south of the border at labour or tories when it came to the EU for the last 30 yrs. I know it pisses you off when I call the snp a single issue party, but the issue (indy ref 2) at least gives all sides something to rally round and agree on.I think it goes beyond spite. I have some sympathy for Sturgeon. She has been let down very badly by the handling of the enquiry into Salmonds alleged misdemeanour and is pretty much fucked because of that. Salmond is out to oust the current government and I think rally some of the SNP to him. Sturgeon is not universally supported within the SNP. She is seen by some as a Unionist, too happy with the trappings of power and the status quo. Not sure where this s going to lead us but I think wherever it will be with a bang rather than fizzle out.
Well I think the SNP are about as nationalist as you can get. Their formation was soley about their national identity. That is still their main goal. Other parties wernt formed for this reason or have this as their main goal. Even the brexit party didnt want to break up the UK but many would class them as extreme. So yes I would class the SNP in the same bracket as say or Plaid Cymru or the English Democrats. All pretty ultra national political parties imo. Absolutely no jibes intended just giving some context. and explanation. I suspect you dont like the term.Ultra nationalist, oh my word the selective blinkers.
Your own refusal to get out of this mindset you have created stops any meaningful discussion, and distils most of it to pointles snide jibes.
Which is a shame, because with a touch of balance, a bit there that could be valid and agreed with.
They are a single issue party in so far as thats their main goal. I guess they never actually thought they would have any reason for any other policies until Blair inacted devolution as their chances of gaining independence were slim to nothing before that. Then they found themselves in the running and suddenly had to gear up to start governing.Not sure. The SNP being relatively united is actually unusual for a political party, most contain factions and leading them is the art of preventing all out war - just look south of the border at labour or tories when it came to the EU for the last 30 yrs. I know it pisses you off when I call the snp a single issue party, but the issue (indy ref 2) at least gives all sides something to rally round and agree on.
Good question and I am only reporting perceptions of what I have read.When you say some see her as a unionist, do you mean in the same manner as some saw Theresa May as a remainer negotiating to leave as that is what the party demanded.
If so, May was bound by the referendum result while Sturgeon wouldn’t be as your last ref voted to stay rather than leave.
So I don’t really understand the logic of seeing her as a unionist.
What am missing?
Well I think the SNP are about as nationalist as you can get. Their formation was soley about their national identity. That is still their main goal. Other parties wernt formed for this reason or have this as their main goal. Even the brexit party didnt want to break up the UK but many would class them as extreme. So yes I would class the SNP in the same bracket as say or Plaid Cymru or the English Democrats. All pretty ultra national political parties imo. Absolutely no jibes intended just giving some context. and explanation. I suspect you dont like the term.
just a term and my opinion thats all. cheersI don't like the concept, more than i dislike the term. And I do now believe that wasn't a jibe as well, thanks for clarifying.
But with the kindest of due respect, if you think the snp are ultra nationalist, you really don't know ultra.. or nationalist. Don't know enough about PC to really draw comparisons, but that's besides the point.