The Scottish Politics thread

[Magicpole]

The problem with that is that 80% of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK so it would, on the face of it, make very little economic sense to damage the 80% in the hope that the increases in the other 20% will repair and even exceed the damage.

You do realise we traded with non EU countries before Brexit? Just checking.

The produce we sell to England is the best stuff we have. Where else are you going to get it? We also buy a lot from you. Where else are you going to sell it? Japan? Nonsensical economic argument and the kind of kindergarten economics that convinced people Brexit would be a blast. We won’t be giving up anything, but our exports to the EU down astronomical levels will return. We will also have the levers to invest in our future, not manage on housekeeping.

 

[Gabriel]

Scotland has approximately 90% of the United Kingdom's surface freshwater, and I can foresee that proving an invaluable commodity in 30 years; Highland Park might be cheaper than Highland Spring one day.

 

[Shadz69]

You do realise we traded with non EU countries before Brexit? Just checking.

The produce we sell to England is the best stuff we have. Where else are you going to get it? We also buy a lot from you. Where else are you going to sell it? Japan? Nonsensical economic argument and the kind of kindergarten economics that convinced people Brexit would be a blast. We won’t be giving up anything, but our exports to the EU down astronomical levels will return. We will also have the levers to invest in our future, not manage on housekeeping.

The EU also have mechanisms to pour money into Scotland if they were independent and wanting to join.
It's not strictly legal but they don't just rock up with bags of cash. They have various ways of funnelling money to potential members through 'overseas investments' I think is the umbrella name.
It won't cover all losses but it will help where it can.

 

[Magicpole]

The EU also have mechanisms to pour money into Scotland if they were independent and wanting to join.
It's not strictly legal but they don't just rock up with bags of cash. They have various ways of funnelling money to potential members through 'overseas investments' I think is the umbrella name.
It won't cover all losses but it will help where it can.

We have the opportunity to harness our renewable energy to the max and with still plenty of oil. A banking sector that will grow, fisheries, farming, manufacturing, R&D, Whisky, we will be absolutely fine. We are completely fucked right now and endless Tory pricks running the gaff means that ain’t going to change. We sell 80% of our electricity to England. With infrastructure investment that can be sold to Europe decreasing its dependency on Russian gas. We are a going concern if free to run it. Right now our future is just a concern. We will be hunky dory. You might not hence why the establishment does all it can to keep us. One day, if we vote Indy , this will become apparent. And you can take that to any Bank you wish.

 

[Coatigan]

Stepping away from the cycle on here for a little bit, what are people's genuine feelings on how this will go?

Not interested in the arguements, the political or logical views etc, that will be said and a few times over. I am more curious about what people feel will happen, both here and exposed to it and those from a distance reading the guardians expresses etc. Pure gut feelings, really.

 

[joe123]

Stepping away from the cycle on here for a little bit, what are people's genuine feelings on how this will go?

Not interested in the arguements, the political or logical views etc, that will be said and a few times over. I am more curious about what people feel will happen, both here and exposed to it and those from a distance reading the guardians expresses etc. Pure gut feelings, really.

Gut feeling - Brexit and Johnson will be enough to reverse the last referendum result and independence will get a narrow majority.

 

[blueparrot]

Stepping away from the cycle on here for a little bit, what are people's genuine feelings on how this will go?

Not interested in the arguements, the political or logical views etc, that will be said and a few times over. I am more curious about what people feel will happen, both here and exposed to it and those from a distance reading the guardians expresses etc. Pure gut feelings, really.

Think it's impossible to know, the polls are roughly 50/50 but if we had the vote today I think No would squeeze through. That said the campaign and what happens in Westminster and what the EU say could easily swing wvaerers to a Yes.

 

[Shadz69]

We have the opportunity to harness our renewable energy to the max and with still plenty of oil. A banking sector that will grow, fisheries, farming, manufacturing, R&D, Whisky, we will be absolutely fine. We are completely fucked right now and endless Tory pricks running the gaff means that ain’t going to change. We sell 80% of our electricity to England. With infrastructure investment that can be sold to Europe decreasing its dependency on Russian gas. We are a going concern if free to run it. Right now our future is just a concern. We will be hunky dory. You might not hence why the establishment does all it can to keep us. One day, if we vote Indy , this will become apparent. And you can take that to any Bank you wish.

I have no doubt Scotland will be a great Republic like mine, I was merely pointing out that the EU have options to help stabilise parts of the economy if needed.

 

[Coatigan]

Think it's impossible to know, the polls are roughly 50/50 but if we had the vote today I think No would squeeze through. That said the campaign and what happens in Westminster and what the EU say could easily swing wvaerers to a Yes.

Totally impossible to know, hence I asked what people feel rather than think might happen. I feel similar to you I would say.

 

[Magicpole]

I have no doubt Scotland will be a great Republic like mine, I was merely pointing out that the EU have options to help stabilise parts of the economy if needed.

I recognised that point and expanded to show where we actually are and the stifled potential we face.