The Scottish Politics thread

[mancity2012_eamo]

they can’t be worse than they have been surely. If the last few years haven’t convinced everyone they will never be convinced.

Devil’s advocate.
Suppose they get in again!

 

[Magicpole]

You do know that you can have religious beliefs and not believe every single word of what ever doctrine you follow don’t you.

Yes, it’s called tap dancing. It’s either all true or all bullshit. Picking and choosing which pish to believe shows you the problem with it. Refusing to acknowledge what that means is what pisses me off.

Forbes for instance, does the same. She had an issue with 21st Century acceptance of gay people to get married, because her fundamentalist reading of the bible says they are doomed. If she had been advocating the killing of Sabbath day workers etc then she could hide behind religious beliefs, but she ignores the insanity also contained in the book.

The world has moved on, Scotland has moved on and her clinging to selective abhorrence is ultimately her downfall to ever be considered as a leader in any fairer society. Unless she moves to the US as they do love a conservative Evangelical Christian.

And it’s not a Protestant thing, as most Protestants have no problem with Gay people getting married. Just the fanatics and I include the conservative Catholics in that too. Both groups deluded.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Yes, it’s called tap dancing. It’s either all true or all bullshit. Picking and choosing which pish to believe shows you the problem with it. Refusing to acknowledge what that means is what pisses me off.

Forbes for instance, does the same. She had an issue with 21st Century acceptance of gay people to get married, because her fundamentalist reading of the bible says they are doomed. If she had been advocating the killing of Sabbath day workers etc then she could hide behind religious beliefs, but she ignores the insanity also contained in the book.

The world has moved on, Scotland has moved on and her clinging to selective abhorrence is ultimately her downfall to ever be considered as a leader in any fairer society. Unless she moves to the US as they do love a conservative Evangelical Christian.

And it’s not a Protestant thing, as most Protestants have no problem with Gay people getting married. Just the fanatics and I include the conservative Catholics in that too. Both groups deluded.

So it’s mainly the fanatics you have issues with. I would rather believe that they can separate their beliefs from their job and have someone semi competent running the country. Anyway it isn’t happening so it’s a moot point.

 

[Magicpole]

So it’s mainly the fanatics you have issues with. I would rather believe that they can separate their beliefs from their job and have someone semi competent running the country. Anyway it isn’t happening so it’s a moot point.

I just don’t think fanatical Christian’s are fit to run a country that has binned most of the bibles pish. According to the same book, they should all have no issue with Slavery, don’t hear them calling for it’s return. But as you say moot point as she didn’t win. I actually think she’s competent. Just that idiocy of believing nonsense like a 6,000 year old universe.

 

[Coatigan]

Of course it hinges on it because it will go to another referendum mate.

I think we are some way away from that.

I did before the leader change as well btw.

 

[Coatigan]

Every age group apart from 65+ voted in a majority for Indy with the highest % coming from the 16-35 age group.

Everyone knows it’s about Indy and not who leads, although thst us important it’s not the issue. I was pissing myself at all the Uber Unionist/Loyalists rejoicing when Sturgeon stood down. A person they all claimed was hopeless. She wasn’t, but they have very fixed views and if it isn’t wrapped in a UJ they go mental.

Time will tell as always.

You have claimed this before, and I pointed out it is just not true. And you acknowledged it.

A common misconception, that I also believed through general observation, but the polled numbers say otherwise. Yes, the over 60s certainly had the highest number of No votes, but the other categories were not largely pro yes. If I can be arsed again, will re-post the statistics. Bottom line, older voters are more likely to vote no, it is a misconception that younger voters are pro yes, and that the only group voting no by majority is the over 65s.

 

[Coatigan]

Every age group apart from 65+ voted in a majority for Indy with the highest % coming from the 16-35 age group.

Everyone knows it’s about Indy and not who leads, although thst us important it’s not the issue. I was pissing myself at all the Uber Unionist/Loyalists rejoicing when Sturgeon stood down. A person they all claimed was hopeless. She wasn’t, but they have very fixed views and if it isn’t wrapped in a UJ they go mental.

Time will tell as always.

From post-referendum polls. Age and percentage voting No

16-24 : 51% no.
25-39 : 45% no
40-59 : 53% no
60+ : 56% no.

So while it is true that older voters generally voted no in larger numbers, it is categorically wrong that they were the only group to so and swing it against all other ages. In fact only one age group voted yes in greater numbers, and that was the 25-40

 

[Coatigan]

That’d be all of them.

Apart from Kate Forbes.

 

[Magicpole]

From post-referendum polls. Age and percentage voting No

16-24 : 51% no.
25-39 : 45% no
40-59 : 53% no
60+ : 56% no.

So while it is true that older voters generally voted no in larger numbers, it is categorically wrong that they were the only group to so and swing it against all other ages. In fact only one age group voted yes in greater numbers, and that was the 25-40

They figures I would dispute.

 

[Coatigan]

They figures I would dispute.

Go ahead.

I often dispute polling figures. But that's all they can base it on. Someone else posted similar above with a pretty much the same breakdown. Other polls are consistent with it too. I've not seen a single one that is even close to your claim that only the over 65s voted no more than yes.

All groups, apart from 25-39 voted more no than yes. In various percentages.

And if you think about it, it is the only realistic truth too, otherwise the result would never have been what it was, even with a largely ageing population.

 

[Coatigan]

The snp have supposedly seen a post Humza 'bounce' in the polls.

Poll predicts the SNP would take 48% of the vote in the Westminster election, with Labour at 20%, the Tories at 14% and the LibDems at 9%.

The SNP’s rating in the latest poll, carried out on Yousaf’s first full day as First Minister, was up from research carried out on March 22 this year, which predicted 44% of Scottish voters would back the party.

Not that it means much really, as he hasn't had time to shit the bed yet.

 

[Thornliebank]

Saw a couple of eccentric old wackos in Edinburgh yesterday. Turns out they’d been at an Independence march to honour the passing of Sheldon, a dog who used to parade at separatist marches.
They really aren’t a cult at all. Oh no, sir. Not a cult.

 

[Magicpole]

Go ahead.

I often dispute polling figures. But that's all they can base it on. Someone else posted similar above with a pretty much the same breakdown. Other polls are consistent with it too. I've not seen a single one that is even close to your claim that only the over 65s voted no more than yes.

All groups, apart from 25-39 voted more no than yes. In various percentages.

And if you think about it, it is the only realistic truth too, otherwise the result would never have been what it was, even with a largely ageing population.

I don’t know which one is correct. I know there are always conflicting reports or claims. We will just need to wait and see.

 

[Coatigan]

I don’t know which one is correct. I know there are always conflicting reports or claims. We will just need to wait and see.

Wait and see for what, it has been 9 years, how people voted in 2014 won't have changed.

I'd quite happily see other contradiciting numbers. My point is there aren't any, they are all fairly consistent. So the claim (that over 65s are the only group to have voted no more than yes) is blatantly untrue, based on all the poll findings out there. And on common sense too, because if it Was true, yes would have won.

 

[Coatigan]

Saw a couple of eccentric old wackos in Edinburgh yesterday. Turns out they’d been at an Independence march to honour the passing of Sheldon, a dog who used to parade at separatist marches.
They really aren’t a cult at all. Oh no, sir. Not a cult.

Cool story brah.

 

[Magicpole]

Wait and see for what, it has been 9 years, how people voted in 2014 won't have changed.

I'd quite happily see other contradiciting numbers. My point is there aren't any, they are all fairly consistent. So the claim (that over 65s are the only group to have voted no more than yes) is blatantly untrue, based on all the poll findings out there. And on common sense too, because if it Was true, yes would have won.

We now have the utter disaster of Brexit, we are out of the EU market, we have the reality of England continually voting Tory and the economic and social disaster that is. I just hope these realities will have moved the dial. It may not, and if it doesn’t, then we are nothing but a nation of take the knee, pathetic forelock tugging shitebags.

 

[Coatigan]

We now have the utter disaster of Brexit, we are out of the EU market, we have the reality of England continually voting Tory and the economic and social disaster that is. I just hope these realities will have moved the dial. It may not, and if it doesn’t, then we are nothing but a nation of take the knee, pathetic forelock tugging shitebags.

All fair, all possible even. Not really what we were discussing, but we've exhausted that, so all good.

 

[blueparrot]

Wait and see for what, it has been 9 years, how people voted in 2014 won't have changed.

I'd quite happily see other contradiciting numbers. My point is there aren't any, they are all fairly consistent. So the claim (that over 65s are the only group to have voted no more than yes) is blatantly untrue, based on all the poll findings out there. And on common sense too, because if it Was true, yes would have won.

How I voted in 2014 has changed and my wife is wavering. Both my children didn't vote but I suspect one at least would vote Yes now.

 

[Koniec]

How I voted in 2014 has changed and my wife is wavering. Both my children didn't vote but I suspect one at least would vote Yes now.

I know 2 over 65s who voted No who regret that and are now Yes. Brexit changed the game

 

[Saddleworth2]

We now have the utter disaster of Brexit, we are out of the EU market, we have the reality of England continually voting Tory and the economic and social disaster that is. I just hope these realities will have moved the dial. It may not, and if it doesn’t, then we are nothing but a nation of take the knee, pathetic forelock tugging shitebags.

Thats where we are mate sadly. Because despite Brexit and everything that the Tories and Johnson have shovelled onto everyone, the dial has barely twitched. That was with Sturgeon in charge too. Mark Renton was correct.