The Scottish Politics thread

[No.8]

I remember waiting for Labour to do something about Brexit. Still waiting.

Very few people actually care about the Union. They support it because it’s there.
I genuinely don’t understand why Scottish independence gets so many English hot under the collar. After all all that subsidy would stop. Can’t be the hassle of borders, after all they voted for that in Europe. Problems with trade. Ditto. Maybe it’s down to just good old imperialistic ‘your ours’. Maybe some could explain.

Within the Union Scotland have a huge say. Many Labour governments won elections relying on the Scottish Labour vote.

The SNP actually vote in Westminster on issues that are devolved such as health and education. How the English have allowed this to go on for so long astounds me!! Scots MPs voting on issues that are solely English!!

In an ‘Independent’ Scotland the first thing they want to do is join Brussels : ))))

Scotland will probably not be allowed entry into EU but if they were they would be a tiny nation with little to no voice!

Would I rather remain in the country of my birth or be controlled by Germany ? Aye it’s a toughy right enough. Fucking crackpots

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I genuinely don't understand why anyone would vote Labour, north or south. I'll just come out and say it, I'd rather have the Tories in power then them. At least you know where you stand. Labour are the ultimate nothing party. Stand for nothing, promise everything, or anything, deliver nothing. Even as an opposition party they are uttely useless. All they care about, every single last one of them, is self preservation. At least both the Tories and Snp know what they want, even if that's not what I might want. Labour just want to be in government. Like daft dogs chasing cars. Won't ever catch them, and even if they did wouldn't have a clue how to drive them. Fuck them, hope they get pummelled.

Absolutely. Not my cup of tea, but did a better job of holding the Tories to account than the current tory-lite 'opposition'

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You think? : ))))))

Who ever thought electing a party full of hate filled racist bigots would end in chaos :)

First ministers pumping anything that moves in Bute House (allegedly)

Next first minister running the country like a Fascist dictator whose ‘husband’ embezzled God knows how much

Never mind those two. I know what’ll help. We ll bring in the useful Racist idiot to sort this out

I’m no Labour man but our ex MP , Douglas Alexander, was a great man for this area so what did they do? They voted him out for some daft wee lassie!! Mhairi Fucking Black!! Pretends she’s a wee scheme bird come good but in reality she’s from a well off family from Ralston!!

You get what you fucking deserve when you elect these fucking clowns!

We need an election and we need it now. Nationally and in Scotland.

Mahairi black was a great speaker - I can understand her and I'm English. She was able to articulate the case for socialism and a more equitable distribution of wealth more clearly than anyone else on politics nowadays

 

[blueparrot]

Within the Union Scotland have a huge say. Many Labour governments won elections relying on the Scottish Labour vote.

The SNP actually vote in Westminster on issues that are devolved such as health and education. How the English have allowed this to go on for so long astounds me!! Scots MPs voting on issues that are solely English!!

In an ‘Independent’ Scotland the first thing they want to do is join Brussels : ))))

Scotland will probably not be allowed entry into EU but if they were they would be a tiny nation with little to no voice!

Would I rather remain in the country of my birth or be controlled by Germany ? Aye it’s a toughy right enough. Fucking crackpots

Tiny nations have the same vote and veto in the EU as large nations. Controlled by Germany, yes we can see were you’re coming from. Whether UK or Scotland, most people now realise we were better of in the EU, and would be again.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Within the Union Scotland have a huge say. Many Labour governments won elections relying on the Scottish Labour vote.

The SNP actually vote in Westminster on issues that are devolved such as health and education. How the English have allowed this to go on for so long astounds me!! Scots MPs voting on issues that are solely English!!

In an ‘Independent’ Scotland the first thing they want to do is join Brussels : ))))

Scotland will probably not be allowed entry into EU but if they were they would be a tiny nation with little to no voice!

Would I rather remain in the country of my birth or be controlled by Germany ? Aye it’s a toughy right enough. Fucking crackpots

English mps 533.
Scottish mps 59

A huge say right enough. Numpty.
That’s why we get Tory governments all the time and haven’t voted for them since the 50s. That’s why we get taken out of the EU against our will. That’s why our industry has been systematically dismantled. That’s why our oil revenues have been pissed against a wall. We have such a huge say.

 

[No.8]

English mps 533.
Scottish mps 59

A huge say right enough. Numpty.
That’s why we get Tory governments all the time and haven’t voted for them since the 50s. That’s why we get taken out of the EU against our will. That’s why our industry has been systematically dismantled. That’s why our oil revenues have been pissed against a wall. We have such a huge say.

Per head of population that’s a huge say…numpty.

England has at the very least 10x the population. Numpty

Scottish MPs are voting on England only policies. Numpty

Yep. Scotland has a huge say on UK politics. Numpty

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yep. Scotland has a huge say on UK politics. Numpty

Yet no influence.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Per head of population that’s a huge say…numpty.

England has at the very least 10x the population. Numpty

Scottish MPs are voting on England only policies. Numpty

Yep. Scotland has a huge say on UK politics. Numpty

Simple maths.

Let’s vote on a policy. Say exiting the EU.
How much of a say do we have again?

 

[No.8]

Simple maths.

Let’s vote on a policy. Say exiting the EU.
How much of a say do we have again?

Scotland had its say 2014. 48 out of the 52 constituencies voted to remain in the UK

Then the UK had a vote on Brexit and the vote was to leave the EU

simple democracy

 

[Saddleworth2]

Scotland had its say 2014. 48 out of the 52 constituencies voted to remain in the UK

Then the UK had a vote on Brexit and the vote was to leave the EU

simple democracy

As much as you want to present it as a Union of equals. You know it’s absolutely not. Many voted no in 2014 on a mandate that it was the only way to stay in the EU.

 

[mexico1970]

Mahairi black was a great speaker - I can understand her and I'm English. She was able to articulate the case for socialism and a more equitable distribution of wealth more clearly than anyone else on politics nowadays

She is stepping down when the next GE takes place citing Parliament being too tough an environment for her, you can only go so far with your career if it just involved snarling and barking at a border with your neighbour.

 

[No.8]

As much as you want to present it as a Union of equals. You know it’s absolutely not. Many voted no in 2014 on a mandate that it was the only way to stay in the EU.

Funny you say that. During the 2014 campaign the SNP used Ireland as a progressive smallish economy. That was right up until Irelands economy fell through the floor and they needed an EU bail out.

Not to be outdone the SNP used Norway as an example of a thriving smallish economy. Norway are not in the EU and the SNP claimed that would be absolutely no problem

The SNP then campaigned to remain in the EU gambling that the UK would vote to leave so they could then use this as leverage for yet another once in a life time opportunity.

If you want my view on Brexit. The vote was too close. For matters such as this I believe a 66% vote should be required. That goes for any independence vote

 

[mexico1970]

Absolutely. Not my cup of tea, but did a better job of holding the Tories to account than the current tory-lite 'opposition'

Corbyn might have made it over the line if he would have just said what he meant about Brexit and stopped pinning a red rosette on any 6th form activist he could find.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

She is stepping down when the next GE takes place citing Parliament being too tough an environment for her, you can only go so far with your career if it just involved snarling and barking at a border with your neighbour.

Does that sentiment differ when the border is between England and France?

 

[Coatigan]

Humza Yousaf considers quitting as Scotland's first minister

Sources tell the BBC that resignation is now an option - although he has not yet made a final decision.

www.bbc.com

It is his only real option imo.

But is there not a time limit to another vote of no confidence like in Westminster and/or a higer threshold like 75% of the seats?

 

[MCFC Wirral]

Humza Yousuf surely finished if he’s “considering” resignation.

 

[metalblue]

Humza Yousaf considers quitting as Scotland's first minister

Sources tell the BBC that resignation is now an option - although he has not yet made a final decision.

www.bbc.com

It is his only real option imo.

But is there not a time limit to another vote of no confidence like in Westminster and/or a higer threshold like 75% of the seats?

In your opinion can anyone else in the SNP get a governable alliance? Or does it need an election?

 

[metalblue]

I genuinely don't understand why anyone would vote Labour, north or south. I'll just come out and say it, I'd rather have the Tories in power then them. At least you know where you stand. Labour are the ultimate nothing party. Stand for nothing, promise everything, or anything, deliver nothing. Even as an opposition party they are uttely useless. All they care about, every single last one of them, is self preservation. At least both the Tories and Snp know what they want, even if that's not what I might want. Labour just want to be in government. Like daft dogs chasing cars. Won't ever catch them, and even if they did wouldn't have a clue how to drive them. Fuck them, hope they get pummelled.

Brilliantly funny. You should be a permanent fixture on question time mate, your opinions on the political elite of all hues I’m sure would make compelling viewing and be worth the license fee alone.

 

[Coatigan]

In your opinion can anyone else in the SNP get a governable alliance? Or does it need an election?

I don't think it needs an election either way. They can and should continue to govern as a minority party. I actually think that would have been better anyway, less complacent. They still have more than double the seats of the next best party, and only 2 shy of a majority, and between the greens and alba they can always count on one or two on an issue by issue basis, never mind any of the others who won't always vote as a block.

I don't know the snp candidates well enough myself to really think of anyone. Katie Forbes seemed the most obvious but she got destroyed by the media for a self inflicted early footshooting when she shared her personal view as a churchgoer. Beyond that I really don't know.

 

[Coatigan]

Brilliantly funny. You should be a permanent fixture on question time mate, your opinions on the political elite of all hues I’m sure would make compelling viewing and be worth the license fee alone.

Look I get it, people that have lived their whole lives in a two party system and supported the one party will always believe in them and see them as their only choice given the only other alternative.

But if you do look back at everything since say Gordon, they have regularly adopted bit of a remora approach to politics.

Choosing the wrong Miliband because they thought he was better tv material. Adopting policies as hardline on immigration as the Tories, because they wanted to tap into a bit of a shift to the right that became obvious. That fucking stone stunt. Then nailing their colours to the mast as the No party in Scotland. Which I would have had no issue with if it felt genuine. But it just felt that they looked at the polls, and chose accordingly, to go with the stronger side. They represented at that point a whole spectrum of society and large areas and populations, and they at no point stopped to consider them. Which was their total undoing as they got wiped out for it. The irony is, the minute the polls went over 50% for support for independence for the first time, they totally backtracked and came out with they would consider it as a separate item and possibly allow their members free reign on it. That was the final straw for me. Inbetween that, you had their perseverance with Corbyn, which again I'd have got of it was a real attempt to redefine themselves as a party of something, anything. But it was mostly that they saw the division in society and wanted to tap into anyone leaning slightly left giving them a reactionary vote. Not to mention their all over the place approach to brexit, always one step behind the newspaper headlines. They didn't want to help deliver it, they didn't want to 'revoke' or remove it either, or resolve it in any way. They just wanted to milk it till they got ahead in the polls. They just spout what they think people want to hear. They are riding a bit of a media wave at the moment with both the Tories and SNP being at their lowesr, but I still don't trust them one bit and have no faith in them to do anything right given they just don't seem to have any conviction as a party.