The Smiths & Morrissey thread

[manimanc]

I love Morrissey and I love The Smiths but I think he's out morriseyed himself with this one.
Thanks to @Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese for pointing out what I missed about the 'display' of grief, I get that as I feel people jump on the public display and want to be seen being part of it though it means nothing to them but the lyrics are too close to the bone.
Yes sing about the arena bombing by all means or if it was up to me just leave it alone but some of words in it are totally inappropriate.

I get it that you need exposure and you got a new album to promote but please don't piggyback it off a tragedy that is still raw like an open wound.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I think - like Suffer Little Children about the victims of Hindley & Brady - he approaches the song with empathy / sympathy for the victims and families.
See the lines 3 and 4.

And the next thing is thousands of folk are in St Anne's Sq singing Don't Look Back In Anger. But it's not their kid or relative who has been killed so very easy for them to sing the song.
Morrissey is putting himself in the relatives (more likely) position of being very angry about the event particularly when it is known that the perpetrator was known to security forces but not watched closely enough.

Couldn't agree more, but like suffer little children I expect he'll get pelters until one of the bereaved parents says they like it.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I love Morrissey and I love The Smiths but I think he's out morriseyed himself with this one.
Thanks to @Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese for pointing out what I missed about the 'display' of grief, I get that as I feel people jump on the public display and want to be seen being part of it though it means nothing to them but the lyrics are too close to the bone.
Yes sing about the arena bombing by all means or if it was up to me just leave it alone but some of words in it are totally inappropriate.

I get it that you need exposure and you got a new album to promote but please don't piggyback it off a tragedy that is still raw like an open wound.

The grief thing is difficult, some folk love to put it out there but for others it's a very private thing. For me it's a private thing, but what matters is how we cope and get out the other side, so if for some people making a huge flower display and singing an oasis song helps then who am I (or Morrissey) to criticise? I'd be sad if he is just piggybacking a tragedy to sell records - I think art, poetry, theatre should be difficult at times and make us think.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I love Morrissey and I love The Smiths but I think he's out morriseyed himself with this one.
Thanks to @Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese for pointing out what I missed about the 'display' of grief, I get that as I feel people jump on the public display and want to be seen being part of it though it means nothing to them but the lyrics are too close to the bone.
Yes sing about the arena bombing by all means or if it was up to me just leave it alone but some of words in it are totally inappropriate.

I get it that you need exposure and you got a new album to promote but please don't piggyback it off a tragedy that is still raw like an open wound.

Which lines are inappropriate?

 

[manimanc]

Which lines are inappropriate?

Maybe I'm being sensitive but saying people get vapourized and go easy on the killer.

Oh my fuckin lordy lordy.

The penny's just dropped. I get it now.

Deary me, it's just clicked. As I'm typing my reply out it's hit me the angle which morrissey is viewing it at.

What a tit. Mind you it is 430 in the morning.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Maybe I'm being sensitive but saying people get vapourized and go easy on the killer.

Oh my fuckin lordy lordy.

The penny's just dropped. I get it now.

Deary me, it's just clicked. As I'm typing my reply out it's hit me the angle which morrissey is viewing it at.

What a tit. Mind you it is 430 in the morning.

The Great Man is a lyrical genius....

 

[There is a Light]

Poor twisted man, so ugly, so ugly

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Another new song.
Sure enough.... the telephone rings

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

The final new tune
I live in oblivion

 

[union city blue]

I think - like Suffer Little Children about the victims of Hindley & Brady - he approaches the song with empathy / sympathy for the victims and families.
See the lines 3 and 4.

And the next thing is thousands of folk are in St Anne's Sq singing Don't Look Back In Anger. But it's not their kid or relative who has been killed so very easy for them to sing the song.
Morrissey is putting himself in the relatives (more likely) position of being very angry about the event particularly when it is known that the perpetrator was known to security forces but not watched closely enough.

I couldn’t disagree more. This is an ugly, crude lyric.

I think to compare it to Suffer Little Children is just wishful thinking on your part. Suffer Little Children is everything this new song is not. It had a genuine sense of empathy and was entirely lacking in the sensationalist language that Morrissey has chosen to employ on his latest song. Vaporisation? I really don’t know how anyone can read that line and not think it is sensationalist and entirely lacking in empathy with the victims and their families.

Similarly, his attack on the community response to the bombing by sneering at crowds of people singing Don’t Look Back In Anger is, in my view, spectacularly ill-judged. The response was based on the (again, in my view) wholly correct view that hatred should not be the response to the bombing and that extremism shouldn’t win - a view articulately expressed by Dan Hett, the brother of Martyn who was killed in the bombing.

Again, this song lacks any of the beauty and dignity of Suffer Little Children, a song that actually did speak to the sense of the collective view of the community and the sense of shared guilt felt as a result of the murders in the line “Oh Manchester, so much to answer for”.

I have a genuine, deep and lasting love for The Smiths. They were funny, charming, eloquent and warm. For many of us, they really did give us the songs that made us smile, made us cry and saved our lives.

But the Morrissey that wrote those songs is long gone, long consumed by hubris, vanity and bitterness.

Some of you appear so unable to see what is staring you in the face about what Morrissey is now, so invested in what he used to be that you’re unwilling to admit who he now is: an angry, embittered old man with increasingly dodgy views and lacking in any of the enormous charm, grace and style of his younger self.