The Squad planning thread

It’s becoming ridiculous on here now. Posters wanting 10-14 players out the door. You may as well write the next two seasons off if we did that.

What happens next season if we are poor again, do we sell half the team again. It’s like fifa.

While getting rid of 10/14 players is obviously ridiculous in one window, if we keep with the old guard then we can write the next few seasons off anyway. So we need to take our medicine to some degree!

Pep never had an issue moving players on previously, Deco/Ronaldinho/Eto/Ibrahimovic to name a few were huge names that he moved on at Barca, who had helped deliver the biggest titles. Now he seems to much like a fan, too loyal for too long.

Ederson/Stones/Gundogan have no business being with us still, despite what they have achieved here. Then Akanji/Ake/Bernardo (and to a certain extent Savinho) are fortunate to still be here also. You can maybe get away with 2/3 of these players but not 6/7/8 of them.

This overhaul should have started at least 2 years/18 months ago (4/5 windows back), in fact we started it with Gundogan’s departure but somehow we brought him back…. We now find ourselves in a position where drastic changes are required, what a mess!!
 
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It wouldn't surprise me. The club seem to love the net spend argument at the moment.

I've got a feeling we are going to cash in on one of Bobb or O'reilly this summer.

That would be terrible business. Both could and should have huge futures here. Palmer was bad enough in hindsight, at least we should learn from that.

McAtee could go, though ideally one of Gundogan, Bernardo or Savinho. They offer almost nothing now. Well, Savinho never has really.
 
Watching the game last night pissed gave me a different perspective of the game to be honest as I started drinking heavier at half time. Watched it back after sleeping all day and going to the pub again at 3 until going to one of my sons prom tonight and now got to say you were utterly embarrassing that second half!!! I’m shocked that it was that bad and feel slightly lucky I don’t remember it! HUGE job now for Viana and Pep NEEDS the older favourites taken off him asap! The dippers would have smashed that shower last night yet in the second half we were back to last season caught in transition, slow to react crap.
 
When Ederson was signed his strength was supposedly his distribution. It was naturally assumed his actual goalkeeping ability /shot stopping was on a par with Joe's. His ability with the ball at his had never been seen before and his ability to ping a ball half the length of the field to our wingers was sensational. However in the last couple of seasons those qualities have been lost with our style of play and his passes generally have a distance off 10 yds and we spend the next few passages of play knocking it around at the back. My point is that his strengths are no longer of much use in our present style and we now need a good shot stopper as a paramount ability. That man is not Ederson
 
You don't necessarily sell all of them, but the top line is players, that are not good enough here anymore, and you need to replace.

The second line is players that are available, and I would let go for the right price. (I.E if Barca offered 40m for Silva)

And the last line is players that I would not necessarily have for sale, but if an offer came that was too good to pass up, I would let them go. (Juve offered 55m for Savinho)

That was a few seasons ago.

You’d struggle to get a transfer fee for Bernardo now.

He’s here for 1 more season and at least he has a bit of grit.

Need to play to his strengths and compensate for his weaknesses.
 
I’ve got this horrible feeling pep will keep the old guard till he goes himself, I hope to fuck I’m wrong, any competitive game now then Bernardo is irrelevant can’t run or beat his man anymore and just recycles the ball
Gundo at least tries to play forward but alas another who can’t run.
The defence, what the fuck are we going to do with this set of players, Dias past his best a penalty waiting to happen, Akanji slow cumbersome indecision everything that’s wrong with a defender, Ake a little better but struggles to win headers and made of glass, and then we have Ederson who can’t seem to save anything that comes at him along the ground.
I’ve loved these players over the years but we can’t let sentiment get in the way of progress, I’d happily play for top 4 and try the new younger lads or at least bed them in giving them plenty of minutes.
Nunes has done ok but he’s no defender but it’s telling he’s been a better defender than the 3 mentioned above.
That game against al Hilal has thrown us all,we play that high line with those defenders then its a copy and paste season.
Just my opinion.
 
Not one of our Central defenders is near the level they were 2 years ago, Ederson needs replacing and we need to find a quality Right Back. The rebuild still has a long way to go.
I would try and and get a top quality pacey centre back who's ready to come in we desperately need some legs on recovery be it at right back or centre back.
 
Not one of our Central defenders is near the level they were 2 years ago, Ederson needs replacing and we need to find a quality Right Back. The rebuild still has a long way to go.
Before even discussing individual attributes / quality, structural issues, situational behavior etc, take a look at aggressiveness as an indicator: Lack of it. I have accepted that we will always be more technical, opposition more physical so as to deal with us. I have accepted that we always had good lads that play the game fair. Finally, even though the boys cannot and will not talk publicly about it, I know for a fact that they are very careful in terms of their physicality: We are not officiated the same way, refs are usually lenient towards opposition, but will punish us severely in every given opportunity...

I know -and accept- all that but still: While opponents constantly kick the shit out of us (and are encouraged to do so), we are very kind in duels and challenges, all kinds of duels and challenges, on the ground, aerials. I do not blame the boys though, and I do not question their professionalism. It's human nature, I'm sorry. One of the reasons you bring new people in is to enhance internal competition, keep "pushing" the existing group of players. It's difficult to maintain the hunger when you keep winning, even if you want to, sometimes it's beyond your will. As I said, human nature. This group of players has been working extremely hard for years so as to beat all kinds of limitations, you simply cannot rely on that forever...

That aside, replying directly to your post: Following Vincent's departure, our most complete defender has been Aymeric. I repeat, our most complete, by far. Incredible player, BEFORE his injury. The truth is that nobody was ever world class in that area, they all had weaknesses. Nobody. And the truth is that everybody has been overachieving under Guardiola, in the framework of a certain strategy and style of play. Everybody. But you will not read or hear about such stuff in the media. They have their reasons, you see, it doesn't suit their narrative...

You understand the above, then you understand City's condition the last 5 years: If we are not at 100%, if we underestimate opposition, if we enter the pitch with the wrong mindset, weaknesses and limitations are bound to be exposed: Pretty much the story of the Al Hilal match. When, in the process, you realize the hard reality of the match, it's too late. It usually is, it's very difficult to fix lack of mental preparation during a match. You are already nervous, you play the game without a clear mind, you make mistakes. You see, we became too confident (and a bit arrogant) after the Juventus match -which is understandable after such a tough season. And Pep, aware of our fitness levels, thought he could keep people like Phil, Rayan, Omar etc, fresh for the next match, in 3 days. We paid the price, the rest is history...

PS. Regarding GK and RB, I agree. I have already expressed my opinion, not coming back to that...
 
When Ederson was signed his strength was supposedly his distribution. It was naturally assumed his actual goalkeeping ability /shot stopping was on a par with Joe's. His ability with the ball at his had never been seen before and his ability to ping a ball half the length of the field to our wingers was sensational. However in the last couple of seasons those qualities have been lost with our style of play and his passes generally have a distance off 10 yds and we spend the next few passages of play knocking it around at the back. My point is that his strengths are no longer of much use in our present style and we now need a good shot stopper as a paramount ability. That man is not Ederson
Not a patch on Joe hart as a shot stopper and tbh isn’t that the point of a keeper .
 
I wonder if fans of other clubs are saying things like "pay whatever it takes to get............Grealish, Stones, McAtee, Ake, Akanji, etc, etc, because it would strengthen their team and maybe get them into Europe or save them from a relegation fight. Or maybe it's just our supporters who feel the need to pay whatever.
 

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