The Titanic

mosssideblue said:
Thank you for your detailed response.

As a species, humans are generally compassionate* and will put out all stops to try and save a fellow human, irrespective of how they got into such a predicament. We all, despite what the odds might show, use hope as a emotion to save those in peril not known to have persihed.

I believe lessons learnt from this tragedy will benefit many more industries, making our lives safer overall. Sadly, it often takes tragedy to improve safety.

I take your point about the use of resource and risk to others in trying to save people might seem unjustified at times, but humans are programmed to do that. The RNLI is a classic example, as are mountain rescue teams. We just do it without pause.

* Those on the Kursk would probably have suvived had the Russian Governemnt had more empathy for fellow humans, particularly their own
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At the risk of sounding pessimistic I think you are potentially assigning your own high standards to all of us. I know many people who exactly to your point would act without a moment's pause but sadly if we are programmed to try and save people that way I think somewhere along the line it becomes selective. I was initially going to suggest that this happens when people become an abstract concept rather than a person either because they are so many in number or they are a long way away, but it can't simply be that because I have seen people walk past homeless people without batting an eyelid when they are lying in sub-zero temperatures or other dangerous situations that clearly represent a significant risk to them. I have witnessed, more than once, people drive round people with catastrophic injuries as a result of being run over as if they were simply an inconvenience or obstacle in the road (mercifully not in the UK).

I think it's when we stop seeing each other as human and more as resources or units or worst still as problems and burdens, I don't doubt that was how the Russian government saw the crew of the Kursk but so many of us are guilty of doing it in some way shape or form I think. It's back to this thing of 'othering' people.

I think from the thread you were a submariner? I don't really know much about our armed services and obviously absolutely bugger all about you, but this has got me thinking about whether those positive values and views you expressed are shaped by that experience. Anyway, I'm not looking to be argumentative and I hope that should I find myself in peril, that it would be someone like you and with your mindset who was in the vicinity.
 
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TCIB said:
The vessel had been used multiple times. It was never x-ray'd after each use so we will never know if it went down with structural fatigue on its final journey down; or if it simply developed it on this journey.

One thing that annoys me if the reasoning behind hiring fresh out of uni engineers. They were chosen on the reasoning nobody is inpired by "50yo white guys". How you could think like that with so much at stake boggles my mind. They should have had at least one person with real time experience in this field. What their age and skin colour was should not be a consideration.

I suspect an actual expert would be wanting a hefty pay package and him reluctant to pay them their worth being a main point of his reasoning to. He just hid behind the excuse of wanting young fresh thinkers who would of course be cheaper.
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A seasoned veteran engineer isn’t going to put his name and reputation on any sign off sheet where this sort of risk exists.. The company can say what they like about test and procedures .. the short video of the bolt tightening process and the disclaimer tell you everything you need to know.. For their customers the danger is perhaps part of the allure of the whole experience but on this occasion it was fatal
 
oldius said:
Last week, more 500 people fleeing war and famine drowned when their vessel capsized off the coast of Greece. I hardly saw it mentioned. This week, in just two days, I counted 18 headline stories in just one paper about the submarine incident. Both are tragedies, but we value some lives differently than others, clearly.
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I agree it’s a fucked up system but the migrant situation is so difficult to deal with. A lot want to come to the UK, the land of milk and honey in their eyes. Whilst we were in Europe there wasn’t an appetite from a lot of European countries to take migrants.

However, it’s difficult to determine between those fleeing war and famine and those who are Economic migrants, not in any danger in their own countries. More could be done for the genuine migrants if the system wasn’t clogged up with Economic migrants and those that enter the U.K. illegally to work in cash industries for less than minimum wage but deprive the country of taxes and NI contributions.

I’m not disagreeing with your post, your sentiment is spot on.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
There's absolutely no need for tourism at that kind of depth.

So the regulation should be abolition for commercial enterprises.

Go explore wrecks at safer depths in safe seas and safer tech and stop waving your high net worth micro penises about.
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If you have money you are free to spend it how you wish. That's the point of it. Some want to spend their money on paintings, do they have small penises ?

Just askin'
 
denislawsbackheel said:
As usual you greatly overstate and oversimplify your case through lack of proper research.

Space exploration did not lead to CT scanners.

The first commercially viable CT scanner was invented by Sir Godfrey Hounsfield in Hayes, United Kingdom, at EMI Central Research Laboratories and first used in London in 1971. In 1979 he was jointly awarded the Nobel prize for his pioneering work.

en.m.wikipedia.org

History of computed tomography - Wikipedia​


I’m just surprised you didn’t add PTFE to your list…
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Yes but what about Upvc double glazing?
 
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