The Title Race - 2023/24

How many points will be needed to win the league?

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ChicagoBlue said:
Exactly!

Both midfield additions have looked like relative panic buys and have not shown the quality needed. Doku has excited and delivered at times, but loses the ball a lot, while Grealish holds the ball well and yet has looked anything but exciting or delivered!

We look bang average for long stretches against lower level opposition, yet can still turn it on at times. Unfortunately, at the moment, those times are getting fewer and further in between!

Need to splurge some of those record revenues in January and make a statement!
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No. More panic buying is not what is required and I am confident this won't happen in January. We need a strategic approach aimed at consolidation for the next five years or so. We need to accept that we will not win this league every year and this season looks like it could be one of those years. We are likely to face a transition if Pep departs in 25 and need to plot the course ahead carefully.
The likely sale or loan of Phillips opens up one slot in the squad and hopefully we can find a suitable permanent replacement or loan during the upcoming window. If not we move on until the summer and try to land our main targets.
 
A once in a lifetime game for the Liverpool lightning said Klopp on Sunday.
3 days later another once in a lifetime game this time for the Arsenal Jets.
Sandwiched in-between our very own 3-3 game, shortly after our 4-4 game with Chelsea.
Welcome to the Premier league the Greatest Show on the planet.... yeee arrrr
 
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waspish said:
Agree it happens every season and we come good but maybe this season we don't because of injuries and quality of the other teams have improved!

We can't keep saying come the back end of the season we will come good! We going to say it every year for the next 10 years and win it for another 10 years on the bounce!? No...

We spoilt and am loving it but brings the entitlement into us the more you win the more you want the more you think oh we come good and win the league..
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No guarantee we will win the league or come good, but based on the way we approach season and our past history, I'm confident we will improve come the new year and be there or thereabouts.

Its not about entitlement it's about belief in the manager and the players we have. It won't always be this way but with Pep in charge I'm always confident he will have us competing and winning. We're not playing as badly now as we were at spells last season IMO. I remember from the Liverpool away game last October until about Feb this year we were bloody awful at times.
 
supercity88 said:
Rice spoke well after the game, one game at a time and learning from last year etc. But what they displayed post game was the same over the top hysteria.

It comes from a manager incapable of being a calm and level headed figure for the players.

At a time when we are dropping points late on, it's fucking frustrating seeing them continue to snatch late goals to win games. 9pts this season now. Whereas we have dropped 7pts from late goals in the past 6-7 games. Quite a swing that.
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Yep, EVERY question of the title puts extra pressure on, even if it's answered well.

They're pretty much ARE taking each game at a time, but every single one of them games is played in a cup final frenzy atmosphere, on and off the pitch.

It'll hopefully lead to them being mentally frazzled when the chips are down, but who knows?

What I do know is that it's a hell of a lot easier to win in the 97th minute when a ref doesn't actively stand in the way of your attempts to win, than when they do.
 
I don't honestly think we can wait until the New Year. Put it this way, I don't really see Arsenal folding the way they did last year. The dippers are gradually getting into gear, too. If we can keep the gap to three or four points, no problem. If we can overhaul the gap, even better. But I don't think the margin is huge.
By the way, Pep's right. We haven't been playing badly overall. Simply, we've been missing huge chances. And on the few chances the opposition have been allowed (and it was truly ridiculous in the case of Arsenal away and Liverpool at home, we allowed them almost nothing), the opposition have scored. It's much finer margins that it appears.
 
As an Arsenal fan I see our chances of winning the PL at about 25%. Dippers 15% and City 60%. Reason is simple - if you went back and looked at whatever the equivalent of this thread is but for the previous 3 seasons, it would pretty much read exactly the same as this one. Slow start by City, they pick up after Xmas and go off like an exocet after March. Rinse and repeat.

This season won't be any different, City still have the higher ceiling plus they have experience of doing this over and over again. I reckon for Arsenal to win the PL we will need to win at the Etihad.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
I don't honestly think we can wait until the New Year. Put it this way, I don't really see Arsenal folding the way they did last year. The dippers are gradually getting into gear, too. If we can keep the gap to three or four points, no problem. If we can overhaul the gap, even better. But I don't think the margin is huge.
By the way, Pep's right. We haven't been playing badly overall. Simply, we've been missing huge chances. And on the few chances the opposition have been allowed (and it was truly ridiculous in the case of Arsenal away and Liverpool at home, we allowed them almost nothing), the opposition have scored. It's much finer margins that it appears.
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Chances missed have been a big factor, but conceding 4 to pretty average chelsea side, 3 to an injury ravaged spurs side and conceding late goals to arsenal, liverpool, and the two previously mentioned, thats a mentality thing.
 
mancityscot said:
Chances missed have been a big factor, but conceding 4 to pretty average chelsea side, 3 to an injury ravaged spurs side and conceding late goals to arsenal, liverpool, and the two previously mentioned, thats a mentality thing.
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Think it isn’t mentallity it’s missing the game management and control to see games out,Gundogan, Mahrez, KDB , Stones brought to the team. Will Pep be able to sort that this season, probably.If not we’ll just have t wait until next.
No coincidence we lost those goals to teams / managers that thrive off creating chaos to win games.
 
blueparrot said:
I don’t think other teams have improved, at least not the challengers maybe some of tne teams like Villa have. That’s why we aren’t far behind them.We are talking liverpool and arsenal as challengers and they are conceding as much as us 3 against Luton and Fulham in their last games and nicking points in injury time, where we are dropping points late on in games.
When we sort out our games management and we will because It’s Pep then we’ll stop dropping these late points.
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Hope so but think we need important players to stay fit and the ones we bought to come good plus I feel we need one top quality player in January
 
Bluemoon has risen said:
No guarantee we will win the league or come good, but based on the way we approach season and our past history, I'm confident we will improve come the new year and be there or thereabouts.

Its not about entitlement it's about belief in the manager and the players we have. It won't always be this way but with Pep in charge I'm always confident he will have us competing and winning. We're not playing as badly now as we were at spells last season IMO. I remember from the Liverpool away game last October until about Feb this year we were bloody awful at times.
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Oh I believe in pep and the players but the players over the last 4/5 years have hit the heights every season playing 50/60+ games players might just not have that energy as previous seasons
 
waspish said:
Oh I believe in pep and the players but the players over the last 4/5 years have hit the heights every season playing 50/60+ games players might just not have that energy as previous seasons
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That will only relate to some of the squad due to the turnover of personnel, but I totally get what you mean.
 
Compared to last year:

-3 Arsenal
-2 Chelsea
-3 Wolves
-2 Liverpool
-2 Spurs
+3 United
So -9 points on last season

Potential games to pick up points from where we dropped last season:

+2 Villa a
+2 Newcastle a
+3 Liverpool a
+2 Brighton a
+3 Spurs a
+3 Brentford H
+3 Brentford a
+2 Forest a
+2 Everton h

So +22 points to go at there and if we pick up 9 points from the 22 points AND win every other game we end up on 89 points again which should be enough. Hopefully.

Edit: Just seen the spuds result ahsn;t been updated on the 23/24 table below

22/23
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Even if Arsenal and Liverpool win 6-7 from the next 8 games in the league, I'll be thinking they won't be able to go above 86 pts. They'll hit the wall at some point, whether in February or March or April. Arsenal fans will think it will be different this season (Rice, etc.). Chances are they will win about as many points as last season. Liverpool will finish with much more points than last season, but not with 20+ more points.

Imo, 86 pts win the league, provided your GD is the best. And, imo, only injuries could stop City from getting to 86 pts and having the best GD, even if we lost tonight.

Will be difficult, can see us winning the title by 1-2 pts or on GD.
 
alexmcity said:
Even if Arsenal and Liverpool win 6-7 from the next 8 games in the league, I'll be thinking they won't be able to go above 86 pts. They'll hit the wall at some point, whether in February or March or April. Arsenal fans will think it will be different this season (Rice, etc.). Chances are they will win about as many points as last season. Liverpool will finish with much more points than last season, but not with 20+ more points.

Imo, 86 pts win the league, provided your GD is the best. And, imo, only injuries could stop City from getting to 86 pts and having the best GD, even if we lost tonight.

Will be difficult, can see us winning the title by 1-2 pts or on GD.
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Step by step. Lets see where we are at 4pm on Sunday for starters.
 
waspish said:
Hope so but think we need important players to stay fit and the ones we bought to come good plus I feel we need one top quality player in January
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Yes one top player in would be good, but there won’t be many available and it needs to be the right one, If the right one isn’t available until the summer we are better waiting.
 
If you look at our last 8 league games (including tonight) we've had arsenal, united, villa and chelsea away and spurs, brighton and liverpool at home. Thats an incredibly tough run when we are also missing the best player in the PL for that whole period and a host of other injuries / suspensions that are really impacting us. Things will look much better by Dec 31st i'm sure and post winter break we will be in a great position.
 
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