The Tottenham Thread (Merged)

THFC6061 said:
James Lawton: Cry God for Harry, Spurs and a return of football values

Tottenham, while not exactly paupers, have played their way into contention for the title


If tribal instincts hadn't become so rampant, if undiluted hatred didn't so often appear to be the most persuasive currency in the national game, we might have something like consensus on this weekend of potentially significant Premier League action. It might be expressed in one simple exhortation, the one that goes: "Come on, Spurs."

Manchester City supporters are of course granted exclusion from any such obligation. Understandably, they are proud of a team that in the shape of engaging and hugely talented figures like Sergio Aguero, David Silva and, when he joins us for a little while on Planet Earth, Mario Balotelli, have become progressively agreeable.

However, Tottenham surely demand the affection, and yes, the support, of a wider audience because they so regularly produce beautiful football at considerably less than ruinous cost to the idea that the ability to make a team, to have it strong and creative at every point, is still within the scope of a football man as intuitive as their manager, Harry Redknapp.

City, like Chelsea before them, paid their way with unprecedented resources into the elite which used to be a private club occupied by Manchester United and Arsenal, who provide the second phase of tomorrow's double-header in the knowledge that Arsène Wenger's problems have sharply eroded the old edge of their rivalry.

Tottenham, while not exactly paupers, have played their way into contention for their first title since the one conjured from among the stars by such as Blanchflower and Mackay, White and Jones 51 years ago. If it happens, today's Spurs will not suffer too much in comparison with the team which won England's first European prize and played with a brilliant hauteur that persuaded the young Manchester United player John Giles that they had arrived from another civilisation.

This week Redknapp has been banging on to an unusual degree about the nature of his club's return to prominence, how it has come not from the happenchance of a desert wind bearing undreamt riches but old fashioned nous in appreciating the true value of players.

Yesterday he was again cranking up the pressure on himself as much as City by saying that players like Luka Modric, Rafael van der Vaart and Gareth Bale would be given their heads and their hearts. He said he hated the possibility of returning to London without "having a go". If Redknapp sounds like a man on the edge, it is because he is – and who can blame him after considering the stakes at the Etihad Stadium.

City and Spurs have, after all, formed the habit of breaking each other in pivotal matches. Spurs did it to City the season before last and won themselves a brief but thrilling adventure in the Champions League. City returned the wound last season, though without quite the same impact in Europe.

Tomorrow the City requirement is to slash through Tottenham belief as they did at White Lane a few months ago, soon after United had apparently exposed Redknapp's team as no more than occasionally frisky lightweights. That has been made to look bizarre by the force of the Spurs recovery. If Tottenham's high street had burned, so too had the illusions of the football club – but only briefly.

Now, with just one League defeat since then – and that a dire piece of larceny at Stoke – it is hard to dispute Redknapp's claim that his team represent a force for good.

Apart from putting up the value of their playing staff by upwards of £50m, with Bale on the shopping lists of Real Madrid and Barcelona, coming from under the shadow of Chelsea's assumption that next to City they have the price of anything that moves in English football and retaining the services of one of the game's most creative players in the £16m Modric, Spurs are challenging for the title with a squad that cost only slightly more than half of City's outlay – £153m to £294m.

While City have been stymied by the Uefa financial regulations which will acquire teeth in just two years' time, Spurs operate within comfortable margins.

It is a stunning story in that it represents what has always been the best hope that English football might one day be rescued from a financial death march for all but such recipients of random wealth as Chelsea and City. Spurs have not enjoyed such sudden largesse. Instead they have shaped their own future, with their own wits and their own financial management.

Meanwhile United, defying the downturn of their ability to buy the most expensive players, remain favourites to hold off the might of City. This is mostly a tribute to the extraordinary resilience of Sir Alex Ferguson, whose relatively recent generosity towards the achievements of Wenger is surely evidence that he believes at least one old dispute is consigned to history.

Spurs, though, are a separate story. It is one that tomorrow, surely, will commend itself to almost the entire football nation.


Big Spenders: Cost of tomorrow's teams

Manchester City:
Hart £600,000
Richards Youth
Savic £6m
Lescott £22m
Clichy £7m
De Jong £18m
Barry £12m
Milner £24m
Silva £24m
Nasri £25m
Aguero £38m

Total cost: £176.6m


Tottenham Hotspur:
Friedel Free
Walker £4.5m
Dawson £4m
King Youth
Assou-Ekotto £3.5m
Lennon £1m
Parker £5.5m
Modric £16.5m
Bale £7m
Van der Vaart £8m
Defoe £16m

Total cost: £66m


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-and-a-return-of-football-values-6292518.html

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/20/harry-redknapp-tottenham-title-credentials" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... redentials</a>

Mancini applied some gentle humour when he was notified of Redknapp's claims. "He can borrow money from us if he doesn't have any," the Italian said. There is, however, a degree of indignation. Spurs, in truth, have spent £238m over the past five years, or a net £76.2m, higher than every club bar City, Chelsea and Liverpool. "They have bought good players," Mancini says. "Maybe not like us in the last two years but over a longer amount of time."
 
End of tthe day if twitcher had the money that bobby as had to spend he would have spent with a few mill more on top probably,he as always liked to push his budget to the limit was it not him that put west ham in a financial mess years ago
 
What a load of unadulterated shit that article is from the twunt lawton

For Harry? A soon to be convicted crook is given the red carpet? The independent has become a toilet roll over the recent years
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
squirtyflower said:
What a load of unadulterated shit that article is from the twunt lawton

For Harry? A soon to be convicted crook is given the red carpet? The independent has become a toilet roll over the recent years

Spot on about Lawton and spot on about the Independent.

As to Harry, I'm happy to let the jury decide ;-)
Fortunately it's in magistrates court so cheek chappy cockneys can't let him off
 
Mikecini said:
THFC6061 said:
James Lawton: Cry God for Harry, Spurs and a return of football values

Tottenham, while not exactly paupers, have played their way into contention for the title


If tribal instincts hadn't become so rampant, if undiluted hatred didn't so often appear to be the most persuasive currency in the national game, we might have something like consensus on this weekend of potentially significant Premier League action. It might be expressed in one simple exhortation, the one that goes: "Come on, Spurs."

Manchester City supporters are of course granted exclusion from any such obligation. Understandably, they are proud of a team that in the shape of engaging and hugely talented figures like Sergio Aguero, David Silva and, when he joins us for a little while on Planet Earth, Mario Balotelli, have become progressively agreeable.

However, Tottenham surely demand the affection, and yes, the support, of a wider audience because they so regularly produce beautiful football at considerably less than ruinous cost to the idea that the ability to make a team, to have it strong and creative at every point, is still within the scope of a football man as intuitive as their manager, Harry Redknapp.

City, like Chelsea before them, paid their way with unprecedented resources into the elite which used to be a private club occupied by Manchester United and Arsenal, who provide the second phase of tomorrow's double-header in the knowledge that Arsène Wenger's problems have sharply eroded the old edge of their rivalry.

Tottenham, while not exactly paupers, have played their way into contention for their first title since the one conjured from among the stars by such as Blanchflower and Mackay, White and Jones 51 years ago. If it happens, today's Spurs will not suffer too much in comparison with the team which won England's first European prize and played with a brilliant hauteur that persuaded the young Manchester United player John Giles that they had arrived from another civilisation.

This week Redknapp has been banging on to an unusual degree about the nature of his club's return to prominence, how it has come not from the happenchance of a desert wind bearing undreamt riches but old fashioned nous in appreciating the true value of players.

Yesterday he was again cranking up the pressure on himself as much as City by saying that players like Luka Modric, Rafael van der Vaart and Gareth Bale would be given their heads and their hearts. He said he hated the possibility of returning to London without "having a go". If Redknapp sounds like a man on the edge, it is because he is – and who can blame him after considering the stakes at the Etihad Stadium.

City and Spurs have, after all, formed the habit of breaking each other in pivotal matches. Spurs did it to City the season before last and won themselves a brief but thrilling adventure in the Champions League. City returned the wound last season, though without quite the same impact in Europe.

Tomorrow the City requirement is to slash through Tottenham belief as they did at White Lane a few months ago, soon after United had apparently exposed Redknapp's team as no more than occasionally frisky lightweights. That has been made to look bizarre by the force of the Spurs recovery. If Tottenham's high street had burned, so too had the illusions of the football club – but only briefly.

Now, with just one League defeat since then – and that a dire piece of larceny at Stoke – it is hard to dispute Redknapp's claim that his team represent a force for good.

Apart from putting up the value of their playing staff by upwards of £50m, with Bale on the shopping lists of Real Madrid and Barcelona, coming from under the shadow of Chelsea's assumption that next to City they have the price of anything that moves in English football and retaining the services of one of the game's most creative players in the £16m Modric, Spurs are challenging for the title with a squad that cost only slightly more than half of City's outlay – £153m to £294m.

While City have been stymied by the Uefa financial regulations which will acquire teeth in just two years' time, Spurs operate within comfortable margins.

It is a stunning story in that it represents what has always been the best hope that English football might one day be rescued from a financial death march for all but such recipients of random wealth as Chelsea and City. Spurs have not enjoyed such sudden largesse. Instead they have shaped their own future, with their own wits and their own financial management.

Meanwhile United, defying the downturn of their ability to buy the most expensive players, remain favourites to hold off the might of City. This is mostly a tribute to the extraordinary resilience of Sir Alex Ferguson, whose relatively recent generosity towards the achievements of Wenger is surely evidence that he believes at least one old dispute is consigned to history.

Spurs, though, are a separate story. It is one that tomorrow, surely, will commend itself to almost the entire football nation.


Big Spenders: Cost of tomorrow's teams

Manchester City:
Hart £600,000
Richards Youth
Savic £6m
Lescott £22m
Clichy £7m
De Jong £18m
Barry £12m
Milner £24m
Silva £24m
Nasri £25m
Aguero £38m

Total cost: £176.6m


Tottenham Hotspur:
Friedel Free
Walker £4.5m
Dawson £4m
King Youth
Assou-Ekotto £3.5m
Lennon £1m
Parker £5.5m
Modric £16.5m
Bale £7m
Van der Vaart £8m
Defoe £16m

Total cost: £66m


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-and-a-return-of-football-values-6292518.html

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/20/harry-redknapp-tottenham-title-credentials" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... redentials</a>

Mancini applied some gentle humour when he was notified of Redknapp's claims. "He can borrow money from us if he doesn't have any," the Italian said. There is, however, a degree of indignation. Spurs, in truth, have spent £238m over the past five years, or a net £76.2m, higher than every club bar City, Chelsea and Liverpool. "They have bought good players," Mancini says. "Maybe not like us in the last two years but over a longer amount of time."

Total cost of Spuds 1st team = 66 mill

Now look at this..

Whole Wigan squad..
Kirkland, Chris
Goalkeeper (TW), 30 Years
2.600.000 £
3.000.000 €
Pollitt, Mike
Goalkeeper (TW), 39 Years
225.000 £
250.000 €
Nicholls, Lee
Goalkeeper (TW), 19 Years
50.000 £
50.000 €
Al Habsi, Ali
Goalkeeper (TW), 30 Years
3.100.000 £
3.500.000 €
Gohouri, Steve
Defence (IV), 30 Years

1.300.000 £
1.500.000 €
Alcaraz, Antolín
Defence (IV), 29 Years

4.000.000 £
4.500.000 €
Caldwell, Gary
Defence (IV) , 29 Years
3.100.000 £
3.500.000 €
Boyce, Emmerson
Defence (IV), 32 Years

1.800.000 £
2.000.000 €
Piscu
Defence (IV), 24 Years
450.000 £
500.000 €
Figueroa, Maynor
Defence (LV), 28 Years
4.800.000 £
5.500.000 €
Stam, Ronnie
Defence (RV), 27 Years
3.500.000 £
4.000.000 €
Thomas, Hendry
Midfield (DM), 26 Years
2.600.000 £
3.000.000 €
Diamé, Mohamed
Midfield (DM), 24 Years

3.500.000 £
4.000.000 €
McCarthy, James
Midfield (ZM), 21 Years

4.400.000 £
5.000.000 €
Watson, Ben
Midfield (ZM), 26 Years
3.500.000 £
4.000.000 €
Gómez, Jordi
Midfield (ZM), 26 Years
1.800.000 £
2.000.000 €
McArthur, James
Midfield (ZM), 24 Years
1.800.000 £
2.000.000 €
Jones, David
Midfield (ZM), 27 Years

1.800.000 £
2.000.000 €
Maloney, Shaun
Midfield (OM), 28 Years

1.500.000 £
1.750.000 €
Crusat, Albert
Striker (LA), 29 Years
2.600.000 £
3.000.000 €
McManaman, Callum
Striker (LA), 20 Years
-
Moses, Victor
Striker (RA), 21 Years

2.600.000 £
3.000.000 €
Di Santo, Franco
Striker (MS), 22 Years

2.200.000 £
2.500.000 €
Sammon, Conor
Striker (MS), 24 Years
650.000 £
750.000 €
Rodallega, Hugo
Striker (MS), 26 Years
7.000.000 £
8.000.000 €
Total value 61.000.000 £
69.300.000 €
Foreign players: 19 (76,0 %)



Wigan's entire squad costs the same as Spuds 1st team..


Dont see any mention of that when they play each other do we..
 
THFC6061, I do like your post, but they can easily and often be seen as gloating and antagonistic mate.

In response to that article though, well, it's all well and good quoting and referencing 'time spans' which suit a particular ( Lawtons here) slant on how you want to portray something, in truth, it goes much much deeper than that, I'll quote one of your own fans comments in the interest of fairness here as, to me it is actually spot on :-

JimB said:
The Premier League and, even more so the Champions League, put paid to any chance of there ever being a level playing field again. The clubs that just happened to be the strongest at the advent of the Premier League / Champions League era had a ridiculously huge advantage over the rest - in perpetuity, seemingly. Success, money, success, more money, success, even more money............a virtuous circle for the Sky 4.

Not saying Spurs aren't a well run club, they clearly are and have been very wise and made some very astute moves on and off the pitch when required to, but, they've spent a lot of time near to and around the top table and have learnt from experience how important it has been to become at least established and within reach throughout this whole period, this experience is an incredibly important part of all this, and let's not forget they have had some serious players behind them too, whilst the amounts of money available to them could (and no doubt will) be disputed the long and short of it is is that regardless of this, having billionaire/multi millionaire backers opens doors, serious doors, that will give the club far more of an advantage over the majority of it's rivals.
 
squirtyflower said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
squirtyflower said:
What a load of unadulterated shit that article is from the twunt lawton

For Harry? A soon to be convicted crook is given the red carpet? The independent has become a toilet roll over the recent years

Spot on about Lawton and spot on about the Independent.

As to Harry, I'm happy to let the jury decide ;-)
Fortunately it's in magistrates court so cheek chappy cockneys can't let him off


Wasn't aware of that. I suspect that could have a bearing on the outcome. It will mean he can only get six months max unless he's charged with more than one offence IIRC.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Wasn't aware of that. I suspect that could have a bearing on the outcome. It will mean he can only get six months max unless he's charged with more than one offence IIRC.
No if the Magistrate is convinced that the government has a case it'll be kicked up to the crown courts where he could get prison.

EDIT: What would the league be like without what Abramovich and Monsour have done? A two way battle between Arse and United until around 2004 when Arsenal lost their mojo so United run away with it for 7 years straight? Neither Chelsea, City or anyone else who happens to get a cash injection are responsible for the way the league and the CL works.

Look at the ridiculous situation in Spain with Barca and Madrid. What kind of league is that? They might as well split them off and make it an extended 2 way cup competition. At least we're competitive.

2nd Edit: I also know how Spurs feel about it because we were in exactly in this situation before Roman came in. Just qualified for the CL under our own steam, on the brink of success but just out of reach. It is infuriating and we got lucky enough to get the push we needed to finally break through. There is no such thing as a level playing field in this league, and you're criticising the wrong clubs over why that is.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
squirtyflower said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Spot on about Lawton and spot on about the Independent.

As to Harry, I'm happy to let the jury decide ;-)
Fortunately it's in magistrates court so cheek chappy cockneys can't let him off


Wasn't aware of that. I suspect that could have a bearing on the outcome. It will mean he can only get six months max unless he's charged with more than one offence IIRC.


Mmm, not so sure, every likelihood they could all drink 'darn the Winchester club' , along with Arfur, Tel and Co.
Btw, it used to be that if other information comes to light or the they felt it warranted a more serious punishment the Mags can halt proceedings and refer it to a higher court, unless that's changed.
 

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