The turning point....

nicko

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...was the semi final's against Liverpool in CC.

My major disappointment of the season was the semi of the Carling Cup, as over 2 legs we should have beaten a poor liverpool team even without Yaya and Vinny. The stupidity of the situation was that this competition was seen as expendable, however it has had a huge impact on how the rest of the season has turned out.

Success breds success, confidence is a untangible property - hard to gain, easy to lose, and winning becomes a mentality.

If we had won the CC, which was on a plate, it would have been another trophy, another trip to wembley, another marker in our progress. It would have taken the pressure off us and helped us in this run in on the basis of the extra confidence factor that lifting silverware always gives, and the fact that we would have a trophy in the bag.

Too many on here had the attitude of "I don't give a shit about the CC or FA cup, or Europa league2 and actively stated they wanted us to go out of those competitions as it "would help us concentrate on the PL"

That has been shown to be bollocks. You can't lose games and expect there to be no knock on effect on form and confidence.

To be fair I think the managment had this attitude to an extent too. Manchini saw the opportunity for the league and basically sacrificed everything to try and win it. This has turned out to be a very poor decision and counter productive. The "all eggs in one basket" strategy looks shit when you fuck the one basket left up.

I am convinced that we would be in a different position if had won the CC and our naiviety in this respect cannot be repeated again.

Next season please do not say "it would be good to go out of xyz cup" so we can conentrate on the league.

It is bollocks and cannot be done in that way - everything is linked, as has been shown this season.


Next season REMEMBER all competitions are related and you cannot treat any in isolation
 
WBA away. First time a team was organised to defend against us. Other factors to mention poor refs and latterly piss poor form since Tevez returned but WBA followed by no plan B to counter their play was the nail in the coffin.
 
You could be right ...

i'd point to it being somewhere around that time that our form appeared to dip , and it's somewhere around that time that David Silva apparently aggrevated his long standing ankle injury .......

it's also around that time that we lost Yaya to Africa too ....
 
It was Christmas/New Year week - West Brom and Sunderland away.

United had lost two successive games in this period v Blackburn at home and Newcastle away, and we got one fucking point.

Five points tossed away.

No need to look anywhere else.

It would have broken the back of it with the existing lead we had.
 
6 competitions we have been involved in. To not win one of those would be a huge dissapointment.

Charity Shield
Carling Cup
FA Cup
Champions League
Europa League
Premier League

Still got to believe we can win the league. Those lot and everyone else think they have already won it. This mentality may be a blessing in disguise. We have nothing to lose now. United are not good enough to not be complacement
 
I think it's been mentioned, but teams began to suss out how to negate us as we didn't really have a plan B.

You can get away with the type of football we were playing at the beginning of the season for two reasons :-

a) Nobody was expecting it from us - still had us down as the defensive team ffrom 2011 so they opened up more

b) All teams have a far more positive attitude and less defensive approach in the first half oof the season

I'm sure Bobby and co. will have taken note and may mix it up for next season
 
nicko said:
...was the semi final's against Liverpool in CC.

My major disappointment of the season was the semi of the Carling Cup, as over 2 legs we should have beaten a poor liverpool team even without Yaya and Vinny. The stupidity of the situation was that this competition was seen as expendable, however it has had a huge impact on how the rest of the season has turned out.

Success breds success, confidence is a untangible property - hard to gain, easy to lose, and winning becomes a mentality.

If we had won the CC, which was on a plate, it would have been another trophy, another trip to wembley, another marker in our progress. It would have taken the pressure off us and helped us in this run in on the basis of the extra confidence factor that lifting silverware always gives, and the fact that we would have a trophy in the bag.

Too many on here had the attitude of "I don't give a shit about the CC or FA cup, or Europa league2 and actively stated they wanted us to go out of those competitions as it "would help us concentrate on the PL"

That has been shown to be bollocks. You can't lose games and expect there to be no knock on effect on form and confidence.

To be fair I think the managment had this attitude to an extent too. Manchini saw the opportunity for the league and basically sacrificed everything to try and win it. This has turned out to be a very poor decision and counter productive. The "all eggs in one basket" strategy looks shit when you fuck the one basket left up.

I am convinced that we would be in a different position if had won the CC and our naiviety in this respect cannot be repeated again.

Next season please do not say "it would be good to go out of xyz cup" so we can conentrate on the league.

It is bollocks and cannot be done in that way - everything is linked, as has been shown this season.


Next season REMEMBER all competitions are related and you cannot
Very good post & absolutely agree. Winning things is addictive plus we should be expecting to be in a number of competitions simultaneously from now on so te sooner we get used to it the better.
 
With the amount of money we've spent on players we shouldn't need to be sacrificing competions to focus on others. Agree it's ridiculous that people were turning their noses up at the "smaller" trophies. I wouldn't blame Mancini though, he put out teams strong enough to get the job done in the Carling cup and Europa League but the players didn't want it enough and were outfought by average sides. Only thing he should have done differently was start Nasri in the first leg vs Liverpool. CC would've been a good boost but the players only have themselves to blame.
 
Everton away for me

That was the first time I came away from a game having serious doubts that we were gonna do it
 

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