France is in the shit, mate. They're not one to aspire to at all.
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The unemployment fudge
- Thread starter urban genie
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France is in the shit, mate. They're not one to aspire to at all.
Chippy_boy
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Sure, businesses need to plan properly. A bit of a no-brainer from me since I've spent half my career helping businesses improve their planning capabilities in some form or another!But back in the good old days managing employees shift requirement that involved something called PLANNING. You know someone getting off there arse and doing a days graft to work out how many staff are required imagine that!! Do you know what sometimes they got it wrong and they still had to pay the staff for turning up that was just a business cost.
And all these companies are still here and some just like mine are prospering without ZHC.
But some things are very difficult to predict and they need flexibility. Getting rid of ZHC's when many people employed on that basis actually are very happy with the arrangement, and when banning them is only going either damage business, or damage the customer service you and I receive, or push up prices or put people out of work - and possibly all of the above - is daft.
France is in the shit, mate. They're not one to aspire to at all.
In simple terms they have a better economy do right now.
In simple terms they have a better economy do right now.
They really, really don't.
Sure, businesses need to plan properly. A bit of a no-brainer from me since I've spent half my career helping businesses improve their planning capabilities in some form or another!
But some things are very difficult to predict and they need flexibility. Getting rid of ZHC's when many people employed on that basis actually are very happy with the arrangement, and when banning them is only going either damage business, or damage the customer service you and I receive, or push up prices or put people out of work - and possibly all of the above - is daft.
Sorry I don't buy the fact that these businesses rely on ZHC and that banning them. Tough shit its the same argument as a business that relied on people being paid peanuts to its staff and then said bringing in the minimum wage will shut them down it didn't. If you need flexibility in your work then that's called agency staff, we use them all the time during seasonal and holiday periods as most businesses do. Some people are happy with them like students but what about those that aren't? There would be no damage to any business the good ones adapt the crap ones fall apart that's life. Customer service works well when you have motivated experienced well paid staff (Maslow and all that). Having people who couldn't give a shit because they know that they could have there shift cut at any minute doesn't cut it (try going into any Sports Direct to experience this).
Sorry I don't buy the fact that these businesses rely on ZHC and that banning them. Tough shit its the same argument as a business that relied on people being paid peanuts to its staff and then said bringing in the minimum wage will shut them down it didn't. If you need flexibility in your work then that's called agency staff, we use them all the time during seasonal and holiday periods as most businesses do. Some people are happy with them like students but what about those that aren't? There would be no damage to any business the good ones adapt the crap ones fall apart that's life. Customer service works well when you have motivated experienced well paid staff (Maslow and all that). Having people who couldn't give a shit because they know that they could have there shift cut at any minute doesn't cut it (try going into any Sports Direct to experience this).
What's the effective difference between ZHC and using agency staff?
What's the effective difference between ZHC and using agency staff?
This is always where the waters are muddied and I knew that this would come up. Much like the ZHC agency staff was the old way of exploiting staff. In many ways ZHC and agency are the same but ZHC cuts out the middle man. By doing so you can treat them like shit without the agency being on your back or pulling staff out on you (or you would say it provides more flexibility). Because an agency is effectively a pimping people out and its had to be worth their while.
This is always where the waters are muddied and I knew that this would come up. Much like the ZHC agency staff was the old way of exploiting staff. In many ways ZHC and agency are the same but ZHC cuts out the middle man. By doing so you can treat them like shit without the agency being on your back or pulling staff out on you (or you would say it provides more flexibility). Because an agency is effectively a pimping people out and its had to be worth their while.
You really need to get past this idea that everyone is exploited.
So do you want to ban agency work too then?
Chippy_boy
Well-Known Member
He just said it's ok banning ZHC's because businesses can use agency staff instead, didn't he? It's hard to understand what he says tbh.You really need to get past this idea that everyone is exploited.
So do you want to ban agency work too then?
He just said it's ok banning ZHC's because businesses can use agency staff instead, didn't he? It's hard to understand what he says tbh.
Yes, but then went on to say how it was basically the same thing, so I'm a bit confused now. Why would he then want ZHC banned but not agency work if it's just the same stuff by a different name?