The Waiting List

moomba said:
Pesonally I dont think what people want is out of reach of the owners. They just had an annual £50-60m bonus courtesy of Sky, we'll soon pocket double champions league money presuming we continue to qualify.

Players get their cut, club gets its cut, agents get their cut, Sky and BT make their money (paid for by football supporters). What did the poor old season ticket holder get? Mine went up by £100+ this season.

I wonder how much TV companies would pay without the atmosphere of the crowd, and without the subscriptions of the football loving community.

Sheikh Mansour said when he took over "we know there wouldnt be a club without you".

Yeah, that's football
 
franksinatra said:
Incidentally if a fan pays a £100 deposit and then is unable to secure a seat in his chosen price bracket will he lose the money or be refunded?

Pretty sure thats refundable. Seems a bit vague if someone wanted the cheapest seat in the bracket, but was only offered one of the more expensive seats. Think that might be a case of buying the more expensive or losing your money.
 
franksinatra said:
RODDY_CTID said:
franksinatra said:
This is completely true! But as a fan and a club that attempts to promote a "family club" or "fan come first", supply and demand is not what us as fan want to hear. We want a club that will consider everyone, not just those with the biggest pockets. Having a Rich owner comes at a cost to the some fans, esspaically the local ones. The more the club continues to grow the more expensive it will become. As a fan I want the best of both worlds, but ulitimly I want to City and fear being priced out over time. I mean how any fan can agreed with the clubs membership policy baffles me. Those who talk about FFP as a reason, must look at the policy and think if it is designed to hurt the fans or protect the clubs.


I am not advocating basing ticket prices on supply and demand as unfortunately, during successful periods, this is to the detriment of the traditional fanbase and quite rightly I would like the club to be inclusive to all supporters like the models adopted in Germany.

Whether the increase in capacity will positively affect prices or ultimately prove a long term white elephant will only be determined over time.


I can see that we actually agree on that the club is being run to increase revenues and that we have similar beliefs on what the fans want.

Expanding the stadium and investing is a good aspect, as we both know in the short term it should decrease cost, and I believe if this happen all across the stadium, we will easily fill the ground. The problems that I see is the cost scale ranges between sections of the ground, as a fan who can afford the more expensive tickets will move to cheaper (i can not blame them), My fear is massive blocks of empty seats in the third tier, with people who want to go no longer able to afford them, though a intail solution to this could be to cheapen match day tickets.



Well if the new prices are to go by there is no evidence an increase in capacity will lower prices, with the lowest the same as the value card. I also think like others many existing ticket holders will move into the £299, leaving many disappointed.

Incidentally if a fan pays a £100 deposit and then is unable to secure a seat in his chosen price bracket will he lose the money or be refunded?

Having many thousand empty seats can also negatively affect the attendance as rightly or wrongly many like to be part of a full crown rather than stuck in empty blocks surrounded by empty seats. Football in the UK is experiencing record attendances but the margins of affordability are becomingly increasingly squeezed and once people lose the habit of attending, potentially they may never return.

The answer has always been safe standing but I appreciate that will probably never happen in the short term.[/quote]






they will be able to decline and get their deposit back,this is another headache for city in the making,i can see a lot doing this,ie not buying a season card,3 people I know wont do this cos they really feel like myself that all these £299 tickets will go to existing season card holders relocating
 
CC1 said:
moomba said:
Pesonally I dont think what people want is out of reach of the owners. They just had an annual £50-60m bonus courtesy of Sky, we'll soon pocket double champions league money presuming we continue to qualify.

Players get their cut, club gets its cut, agents get their cut, Sky and BT make their money (paid for by football supporters). What did the poor old season ticket holder get? Mine went up by £100+ this season.

I wonder how much TV companies would pay without the atmosphere of the crowd, and without the subscriptions of the football loving community.

Sheikh Mansour said when he took over "we know there wouldnt be a club without you".

Yeah, that's football

It is while everyone just accepts thats the way it should be without offering a dissenting point of view.
 
Marvin said:
citykev28 said:
Kenney_The_Blue said:
Going fucking way over board kev, way over board, they have to gauge serious interest, £25 a month for four months isn't ridiculous money if you're seriously interested, or would you rather they asked for £2 a week for the next 50 weeks?

I'm going way over board am I? Way over board?

My opinion on the way football fans are treated in this country is that we're asked for far too much money at every possible opportunity. If I stump up £300 now for me and my 2 lads for season tickets in 2 years time, I want to be guaranteed about what I'm going to get at the end of it. Not too much to ask when you pay a deposit is it?

It's been going on for far too long and because it's City and West Ham, Arsenal and QPR charge more, it's not going to stop me having a say.

They've been selling loyalty points over the last few seasons which basically means if you've got more money than the bloke next to you, it doesn't matter how many games he's been to, he'll never catch your loyalty points.

How exactly am I going overboard? I'm writing a comment on a fucking internet forum, not invading the pitch and chaining myself to the goalposts.
Keeping football within the range of the working family is one of the No. 1 concerns of football fans.

I get that. But isn't that exactly what this does? £299 to £449 and £450 to £599 is significantly cheaper than what I am paying now.

I know there are some fans who are unemployed or on low wages, but this is moving in the right direction. Maybe the club are doing this, not to keep prices affordable, but to fill the ground and they will ratchet up the prices in the future, but you can't argue that the prices are expensive.

I understand you don't want to pay £100 for something that is uncertain. That's your choice, but it is refundable and it can be paid in instalments

I'm not so certain it is refundable if they offer you a seat in the price band you requested. For example, I suspect many have enrolled hoping for £299 tickets, however if the club only have £449 tickets left, the document fails to clarify whether you can turn it down and get your full deposit back as the price bracket was £299-£449.
 
blue44 said:
franksinatra said:
RODDY_CTID said:
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I am not advocating basing ticket prices on supply and demand as unfortunately, during successful periods, this is to the detriment of the traditional fanbase and quite rightly I would like the club to be inclusive to all supporters like the models adopted in Germany.

Whether the increase in capacity will positively affect prices or ultimately prove a long term white elephant will only be determined over time.


I can see that we actually agree on that the club is being run to increase revenues and that we have similar beliefs on what the fans want.

Expanding the stadium and investing is a good aspect, as we both know in the short term it should decrease cost, and I believe if this happen all across the stadium, we will easily fill the ground. The problems that I see is the cost scale ranges between sections of the ground, as a fan who can afford the more expensive tickets will move to cheaper (i can not blame them), My fear is massive blocks of empty seats in the third tier, with people who want to go no longer able to afford them, though a intail solution to this could be to cheapen match day tickets.



Well if the new prices are to go by there is no evidence an increase in capacity will lower prices, with the lowest the same as the value card. I also think like others many existing ticket holders will move into the £299, leaving many disappointed.

Incidentally if a fan pays a £100 deposit and then is unable to secure a seat in his chosen price bracket will he lose the money or be refunded?

Having many thousand empty seats can also negatively affect the attendance as rightly or wrongly many like to be part of a full crown rather than stuck in empty blocks surrounded by empty seats. Football in the UK is experiencing record attendances but the margins of affordability are becomingly increasingly squeezed and once people lose the habit of attending, potentially they may never return.

The answer has always been safe standing but I appreciate that will probably never happen in the short term.






they will be able to decline and get their deposit back,this is another headache for city in the making,i can see a lot doing this,ie not buying a season card,3 people I know wont do this cos they really feel like myself that all these £299 tickets will go to existing season card holders relocating[/quote]



Having to refund people should encourage them to lower prices all over the ground. The club should know everyone will want the cheap seats and should lower prices in other areas in an attempt to keep people staying. When I say decrease process i don't mean lower than the value card (I see this as a very fair price), I mean lower other areas around the ground to this price or very near. Many should not want to move, if they can keep there seats and get a large reduction in price.
 
Having to refund people should encourage them to lower prices all over the ground. The club should know everyone will want the cheap seats and should lower prices in other areas in an attempt to keep people staying. When I say decrease process i don't mean lower than the value card (I see this as a very fair price), I mean lower other areas around the ground to this price or very near. Many should not want to move, if they can keep there seats and get a large reduction in price.[/quote]

I admire your optimism pal but I foresee the clubs model is a further gentrification of our support with the club recouping the cost of building through the increase in the additional revenues from the additional seats. I do not see, as a business model, tickets being reduced in price as this would negate the extra income generated from the additional seats.

Whether this is attainable I do not know but maybe after a few years of continued success we may get the countrywide appeal of the saddos which have basked in the reflected glow of success achieved over at Old Trafford.
 
Deadlyassasin said:
The essential truth is ...football will only increase in cost...fact.

I posted on another thread that even on this forum we have city fans arguing with other city fans with some entering the who has got the biggest swinging dick .....lwages wise.

People on decent /big money slagging off others who are less fortunate.

Is that what it's all coming down to???

#Together#

I don't think so.

I'm out!!!

Its not that bad. Once we get the North & South stands developed, I think prices will go down<br /><br />-- 17 Nov 2013 19:42 --<br /><br />
moomba said:
CC1 said:
moomba said:
Pesonally I dont think what people want is out of reach of the owners. They just had an annual £50-60m bonus courtesy of Sky, we'll soon pocket double champions league money presuming we continue to qualify.

Players get their cut, club gets its cut, agents get their cut, Sky and BT make their money (paid for by football supporters). What did the poor old season ticket holder get? Mine went up by £100+ this season.

I wonder how much TV companies would pay without the atmosphere of the crowd, and without the subscriptions of the football loving community.

Sheikh Mansour said when he took over "we know there wouldnt be a club without you".

Yeah, that's football

It is while everyone just accepts thats the way it should be without offering a dissenting point of view.
s

Yep, You're right again. However, I'm more of glass half full kind of person so I don't agree with your point of view. But, it's a game of opinions
 
RODDY_CTID said:
blue44 said:
franksinatra said:
I can see that we actually agree on that the club is being run to increase revenues and that we have similar beliefs on what the fans want.

Expanding the stadium and investing is a good aspect, as we both know in the short term it should decrease cost, and I believe if this happen all across the stadium, we will easily fill the ground. The problems that I see is the cost scale ranges between sections of the ground, as a fan who can afford the more expensive tickets will move to cheaper (i can not blame them), My fear is massive blocks of empty seats in the third tier, with people who want to go no longer able to afford them, though a intail solution to this could be to cheapen match day tickets.



Well if the new prices are to go by there is no evidence an increase in capacity will lower prices, with the lowest the same as the value card. I also think like others many existing ticket holders will move into the £299, leaving many disappointed.

Incidentally if a fan pays a £100 deposit and then is unable to secure a seat in his chosen price bracket will he lose the money or be refunded?

Having many thousand empty seats can also negatively affect the attendance as rightly or wrongly many like to be part of a full crown rather than stuck in empty blocks surrounded by empty seats. Football in the UK is experiencing record attendances but the margins of affordability are becomingly increasingly squeezed and once people lose the habit of attending, potentially they may never return.

The answer has always been safe standing but I appreciate that will probably never happen in the short term.






they will be able to decline and get their deposit back,this is another headache for city in the making,i can see a lot doing this,ie not buying a season card,3 people I know wont do this cos they really feel like myself that all these £299 tickets will go to existing season card holders relocating



Having to refund people should encourage them to lower prices all over the ground. The club should know everyone will want the cheap seats and should lower prices in other areas in an attempt to keep people staying. When I say decrease process i don't mean lower than the value card (I see this as a very fair price), I mean lower other areas around the ground to this price or very near. Many should not want to move, if they can keep there seats and get a large reduction in price.[/quote]




Well I think there is zero chance of that happening. If these padded seat/access to a bar seats are a hit then expect more of the same behind the goals on level 2.

It's all about making money now sadly.

When you have commercial directors, and sales teams under them then it's all about maximising income, hitting targets and making bonus.

Bit like the banks, they had layers of sales managers all beating the minions with a big stick to sell more products regardless of whether it was right for the customer. Maximise sales, maximise earnings. The customer always comes last in that thinking.

Is like these overpriced food offerings.......how many fans would have given up their ST because they didn't like a pie or a hot dog? The reason this new range was introduced was to increase revenue.

It will continue until the bubble finally bursts and people start walking ( usually when trophies dry up ).

The club then goes cap in hand to all those people it priced out previously but it's too late.

I think ST are right at their limit now but I will guess that prices will rise again next season.
 
franksinatra said:
Having to refund people should encourage them to lower prices all over the ground. The club should know everyone will want the cheap seats and should lower prices in other areas in an attempt to keep people staying. When I say decrease process i don't mean lower than the value card (I see this as a very fair price), I mean lower other areas around the ground to this price or very near. Many should not want to move, if they can keep there seats and get a large reduction in price.

I admire your optimism pal but I foresee the clubs model is a further gentrification of our support with the club recouping the cost of building through the increase in the additional revenues from the additional seats. I do not see, as a business model, tickets being reduced in price as this would negate the extra income generated from the additional seats.

Whether this is attainable I do not know but maybe after a few years of continued success we may get the countrywide appeal of the saddos which have basked in the reflected glow of success achieved over at Old Trafford.[/quote]

This optimistic viewpoint is only for the short-term, I believe with the continued fan base growth and projected success of the club, a large amount of fans on here will be priced out in the future, as a ground expansion is limited. For me, I see the ground expansion like the academy, the club showing their forward thinking. There plan is to invest now and rise prices over the next 10 years, to what they want them to be. Having cheap ticket doesn't match the luxury brand and clientele the owners truly desires. I mean how much is a Burger now? So my long term viewpoint is negative, due to a very strong predicted demand increase.
 

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