The "which famous person died today" thread

Blue Mist said:
Magic, I love you man but you are mixing up a person with a religion. Anderton was the product of a church. I know you hate religion like I do, so ignore the person, change the evil that is religion.
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I was a product of a church and I managed to realise it just didn’t make sense in my last year at Primary school. He made it to that position being basically mentally ill. You get away with murder if your insanity can be justified by a book of shit. I have no sympathy for any grown adult who allows themselves to be cunts because of their god and they get no fucking bye from me. What he said about people with Aids should have seen him charged for a hate crime. Vermin and fuck him Misty, sorry but that’s how I feel.
 
Magicpole said:
I was a product of a church and I managed to realise it just didn’t make sense in my last year at Primary school. He made it to that position being basically mentally ill. You get away with murder if your insanity can be justified by a book of shit. I have no sympathy for any grown adult who allows themselves to be cunts because of their god and they get no fucking bye from me. What he said about people with Aids should have seen him charged for a hate crime. Vermin and fuck him Misty, sorry but that’s how I feel.
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No need to apologise my good man. I am glad we have left his generation behind. My only 'fear' about Islam is that whilst the Christian religion is fading fast, Islam and its perverted views on sexuality is gaining strength.
 
Blue Mist said:
No need to apologise my good man. I am glad we have left his generation behind. My only 'fear' about Islam is that whilst the Christian religion is fading fast, Islam and its perverted views on sexuality is gaining strength.
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Have you had a glance across the pond? Fanatical Christians holding their own with anything from any other pile of shite faith. Astounding stupidity and hatred. They are America’s Taliban.
 
Magicpole said:
Have you had a glance across the pond? Fanatical Christians holding their own with anything from any other pile of shite faith. Astounding stupidity and hatred. They are America’s Taliban.
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I forgot about them. In the real world, i.e. Europe, the curtains are open and people are looking out.
 
Blue Mist said:
I forgot about them. In the real world, i.e. Europe, the curtains are open and people are looking out.
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We aren’t as pathetic as the Praise Jesus Yanks, impossible, but anyone talking to themselves, believing the bible was written by a god, and they are legion, tells me crazy is still very dominant. We now have Cafeteria Christianity, the balls out Tonto stuff the Yanks and any other evangelical cunts believe, is replaced by those who don’t see homosexuality as an issue, don’t believe in slavery, wiping out cities, killing your kids for being lippy, killing your brother who doesn’t believe, Adam and Eve were real, Noah was 870 years and built a boat for over 6m species, that Unicorns were real, or dragons, or the earth is flat, that it took six days to create the universe, that shellfish are evil, that Moses parted the sea, that they wandered for 40 years and so on for too many pages. They hold onto the Jesus is lovely and he talks back at me. At least the crazies stick to the book, a book of utter fucking insanity. Edit edit edit, is the way of most Christians. Why don’t they go the whole hog and just admit it’s all bollocks. It’s an important book, but not a true one. It captures the culmination of the desire to create a god by people who literally didn’t know where the sky went at night.

That’s as stupid a thing to do as buying a set of 5 Magic Beans from me and expecting a refund after no giant tree to that golden goose appears a day after planting. Like religious leaders, I blame the buyer for not believing enough.

I have a limited amount of competitively priced 5 bean packs left, if anyone believes the universe was created in six days. This is a deal tailor made for you.
Get in quick and beat the rush.

No time wasters or Mormons.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
As tragic as that is, it probably highlights he wasn‘t a great parent.
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He didn't meet Jethro Lazenby until he was seven or eight, but JL was recently diagnosed with schizophrenia and convicted of assaulting his mother, so there is more to it than that.

Sounds like an intense and difficult bloke to live with and most people with express his flavour of political views (moaning about wokeism etc) are usually cunts.

If he was less talented and had less fans he would be on GB News like the self exiled one from Mumford & Sons.
 
Blue Mist said:
No need to apologise my good man. I am glad we have left his generation behind. My only 'fear' about Islam is that whilst the Christian religion is fading fast, Islam and its perverted views on sexuality is gaining strength.
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The problem with Islam is that the faith has been hijacked by the Saudis, who have used their oil wealth to export their perverse Salafi version of it to places like Afghanistan, India, Pakistan and here. It also got combined with the ultra-conservative Deobandi school, which - if I remember rightly - then produced the Taliban.

However, Islam has formerly been quite liberal in its attitude to, for example, homosexuality. Here is the gay Catholic scholar John Boswell on this subject:

‘Although the Qur’an and early religious writings of Islam display mildly negative attitudes towards homosexuality, Islamic society has generally ignored these deprecations, and most Muslim cultures have treated homosexuality with indifference, if not admiration. Almost without exception, the classic works of Arabic poetry and prose, from Abu Nuwas to the Thousand and One Nights, treat gay people and their sexuality with respect or casual acceptance…The Arabic language contains a huge vocabulary of gay erotic terminology…Erotic address by one male to another is the standard convention of Arabic love poetry; even poems really written to or for women use male pronouns and metaphors of male beauty: it is not uncommon to find poetry addressed to a female in which the object of the poet’s affections is praised for ‘a dark mustache over pearly white teeth’, or the ‘first downy beard over damask skin’. Poems about the physical allure of a young man’s first beard constitute an entire genre of Arabic poetry…’

It is also worth bearing in mind that one of the greatest Islamic poets of all was Abu Nuwas, a hell raising, bisexual libertine. Here is one of his more famous pieces:


I Miss Al-Hira*

By God, I dearly miss
Al-Hira and its wine
And the ‘oud strings’ sound at dawn
As the church bells chime,
And I miss the taverns at
The sacrifice time**
And spending, on drink and
Beardless youths, my every dime
By God, were you to hear
The Poems I’ve devised
Their splendour would leave you in
Despair till your demise

*formerly a famous centre for Nestorian Christianity in Iraq
**Eid-ul-Adha


Much controversy also surrounds the betrothal of Aisha to Muhammad, the best loved and most cherished wife of Muhammad after Khadijah, given the fact that she entered the Prophet’s household at a young age (a range of years between six and nine is given in the sources). However, as Asma Afsaruddin has pointed out in her study of the first Muslim community, the marriage was not consummated until she reached puberty, which was not unusual for those times.

On the whole, Islam formerly cultivated a positive attitude towards sexuality, one which contrasted strikingly with the asceticism of the early Christian church and the Pauline trajectory that it followed. At the core of its vision, according to the Tunisian scholar Abdelwahab Bouhdiba, Islam reflects a ‘lyrical view of life’. The pleasures of sex are, apparently, a foretaste of paradise as described in the Qur’an and were elaborated by the mystical exegetes into the ‘infinite orgasm’ - the state of ecstasy that ultimately leads into the beatific vision and union with Allah.

Having said all that, the faith undoubtedly does have an ethically perverse side. For example, the taking of sex slaves does appear to be sanctioned by a passage in the Qur’an (though I haven’t had time to read Jonathan AC Brown’s recent book on Islam and slavery to see if he has anything to say about this), and whatever line one takes on Aisha, what transpired with her has been used as a justification for child marriage in countries like Afghanistan and Iran.

On top of that, again if I remember correctly, it is possible to find scholars who have attempted to provide Islamic justifications for FGM. And god help women who are raped in Pakistan, as they can end up being the ones who get jailed.

Although liberal Muslims and Muslim feminists are obviously taking issue with the above, their voices are also not the loudest to be heard, unfortunately.

Will stop there. As a fan of The Sweeney, I only came on this thread intending to see what people were saying about the late, great Dennis Waterman!
 
ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
The problem with Islam is that the faith has been hijacked by the Saudis, who have used their oil wealth to export their perverse Salafi version of it to places like Afghanistan, India, Pakistan and here. It also got combined with the ultra-conservative Deobandi school, which - if I remember rightly - then produced the Taliban.

However, Islam has formerly been quite liberal in its attitude to, for example, homosexuality. Here is the gay Catholic scholar John Boswell on this subject:

‘Although the Qur’an and early religious writings of Islam display mildly negative attitudes towards homosexuality, Islamic society has generally ignored these deprecations, and most Muslim cultures have treated homosexuality with indifference, if not admiration. Almost without exception, the classic works of Arabic poetry and prose, from Abu Nuwas to the Thousand and One Nights, treat gay people and their sexuality with respect or casual acceptance…The Arabic language contains a huge vocabulary of gay erotic terminology…Erotic address by one male to another is the standard convention of Arabic love poetry; even poems really written to or for women use male pronouns and metaphors of male beauty: it is not uncommon to find poetry addressed to a female in which the object of the poet’s affections is praised for ‘a dark mustache over pearly white teeth’, or the ‘first downy beard over damask skin’. Poems about the physical allure of a young man’s first beard constitute an entire genre of Arabic poetry…’

It is also worth bearing in mind that one of the greatest Islamic poets of all was Abu Nuwas, a hell raising, bisexual libertine. Here is one of his more famous pieces:


I Miss Al-Hira*

By God, I dearly miss
Al-Hira and its wine
And the ‘oud strings’ sound at dawn
As the church bells chime,
And I miss the taverns at
The sacrifice time**
And spending, on drink and
Beardless youths, my every dime
By God, were you to hear
The Poems I’ve devised
Their splendour would leave you in
Despair till your demise

*formerly a famous centre for Nestorian Christianity in Iraq
**Eid-ul-Adha


Much controversy also surrounds the betrothal of Aisha to Muhammad, the best loved and most cherished wife of Muhammad after Khadijah, given the fact that she entered the Prophet’s household at a young age (a range of years between six and nine is given in the sources). However, as Asma Afsaruddin has pointed out in her study of the first Muslim community, the marriage was not consummated until she reached puberty, which was not unusual for those times.

On the whole, Islam formerly cultivated a positive attitude towards sexuality, one which contrasted strikingly with the asceticism of the early Christian church and the Pauline trajectory that it followed. At the core of its vision, according to the Tunisian scholar Abdelwahab Bouhdiba, Islam reflects a ‘lyrical view of life’. The pleasures of sex are, apparently, a foretaste of paradise as described in the Qur’an and were elaborated by the mystical exegetes into the ‘infinite orgasm’ - the state of ecstasy that ultimately leads into the beatific vision and union with Allah.

Having said all that, the faith undoubtedly does have an ethically perverse side. For example, the taking of sex slaves does appear to be sanctioned by a passage in the Qur’an (though I haven’t had time to read Jonathan AC Brown’s recent book on Islam and slavery to see if he has anything to say about this), and whatever line one takes on Aisha, what transpired with her has been used as a justification for child marriage in countries like Afghanistan and Iran.

On top of that, again if I remember correctly, it is possible to find scholars who have attempted to provide Islamic justifications for FGM. And god help women who are raped in Pakistan, as they can end up being the ones who get jailed.

Although liberal Muslims and Muslim feminists are obviously taking issue with the above, their voices are also not the loudest to be heard, unfortunately.

Will stop there. As a fan of The Sweeney, I only came on this thread intending to see what people were saying about the late, great Dennis Waterman!
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Even though your comment was wildly off topic, I'm really grateful to you for the insight.
 
Blue Mist said:
To be fair to zen I hijacked the thread telling our pet jock off for hating Anderton. I mentioned that Islam was against homosexuality so, like you, I am grateful for the info.
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Thanks. I wasn’t having a go or anything.

Might have taught Religious Studies for 25 years but have acquired a pretty negative view of most faiths along the way, especially recently when it comes to America and all that cultish, quasi-Christian QAnon bollocks that has taken root there, and now the prospect of Roe v. Wade getting overturned.

Wish I could reassure you about secularisation but that’s not having much of an impact over there either.

Bootleg copies of Dawkins and Hitchens’ writing are circulating in the Islamic world, though. Am not sure they have been translated into Arabic but atheists have to keep a low profile and appreciate those two authors for saying what they can’t.

Thought James Anderton had died ages ago. Always liked ‘God’s Cop’, that Happy Mondays song about him.
 
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