The winter of discontent

Mike D said:
Shale gas was always a none starter we are a small densely populated island and there were significant issues extracting this safely (this was alluded too on R4). I'm no expert on this but we need a long term plan a strategy that takes into the next 10, 25 and 50 years.
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Unfortunately this govt can't plan for tea time and its quarter past two now - the only way you would get Johnsons attention would be to wrap it up with fantasises of giant building projects and huge opportunities for him to don hi-viz and a hard hat and get photographed whenever he needs any distractions from the mess he is presiding over
 
west didsblue said:
The main failure of successive governments has been in not replacing and expanding the UK's nuclear generating capacity, which has got to be a long term key part of the low carbon energy mix.

I'm not convinced shale is a non-starter. There are large areas of the country with significant shale gas reserves which could have alleviated the current crisis somewhat if planning authorities had allowed for commercial scale extraction. There are lots of environmental implications but the rules in this country are much more stringent than in the US.
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Perhaps look at the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC ... She did an indepth on fracking in the states with communities suffering over 100 earth tremors / quakes a day . This is just one of them

 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Perhaps look at the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC ... She did an indepth on fracking in the states with communities suffering over 100 earth tremors / quakes a day . This is just one of them

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I thought it was the repeated tremors that did for the site between Preston and Blackpool (roughly). The local MP being at risk if it continued probably counted as well.

Didn't they keep changing their mind about fracking anyway, including putting some indeterminate timeframe on it?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Perhaps look at the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC ... She did an indepth on fracking in the states with communities suffering over 100 earth tremors / quakes a day . This is just one of them

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I think I remember reading that they didn't bother imposing any strict regulations on pollution and seismic activity in the US whereas it was very tightly controlled here.
 
west didsblue said:
I think I remember reading that they didn't bother imposing any strict regulations on pollution and seismic activity in the US whereas it was very tightly controlled here.
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Do you have shares in shale gas or own a company that wants to drill for it?

The UK is never going to drill for shale gas that ship has long sailed.
 
Mike D said:
Do you have shares in shale gas or own a company that wants to drill for it?

The UK is never going to drill for shale gas that ship has long sailed.
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No and you're probably right. Just not sure relying on Russian and Qatari gas imports is a better idea than increasing domestic production. Depends on whether the environmental risks of extracting shale gas outweigh the risk of running out.

On a typical day 40%-50% of UK electricity is generated using gas compared to 5% in France, with the world average at about 25%. We're probably amongst the most exposed to gas supply issues of any country in the world.

In an ideal world we would have continued to build up nuclear capacity rather than stopping 30 years ago but it would take another 30 years to get back where we should be so we need to do something else alongside building up renewable capacity.
 
west didsblue said:
No and you're probably right. Just not sure relying on Russian and Qatari gas imports is a better idea than increasing domestic production. Depends on whether the environmental risks of extracting shale gas outweigh the risk of running out.

On a typical day 40%-50% of UK electricity is generated using gas compared to 5% in France, with the world average at about 25%. We're probably amongst the most exposed to gas supply issues of any country in the world.

In an ideal world we would have continued to build up nuclear capacity rather than stopping 30 years ago but it would take another 30 years to get back where we should be so we need to do something else alongside building up renewable capacity.
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That £1.5 trillion of gas and oil reserves off the coast of Scotland is looking pretty tasty right now.
 
west didsblue said:
No and you're probably right. Just not sure relying on Russian and Qatari gas imports is a better idea than increasing domestic production. Depends on whether the environmental risks of extracting shale gas outweigh the risk of running out.

On a typical day 40%-50% of UK electricity is generated using gas compared to 5% in France, with the world average at about 25%. We're probably amongst the most exposed to gas supply issues of any country in the world.

In an ideal world we would have continued to build up nuclear capacity rather than stopping 30 years ago but it would take another 30 years to get back where we should be so we need to do something else alongside building up renewable capacity.
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What does the gas price do for moving to electric vehicles if electricity is generated by gas?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
That £1.5 trillion of gas and oil reserves off the coast of Scotland is looking pretty tasty right now.
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Oil and gas has always followed the rules of supply and demand but it's especially driven by supply. There are many people who keep saying that oil will soon run out but actually that's based upon active reserves and not those sat waiting to be drilled or even reserves sat undiscovered.

There's a big difference between a reserve and a proven reserve, the North Sea has big problems in that regard where at today's oil prices its just not profitable to get it out of the ground. Even if there is £1.5 trillion of oil sat out there, it's pointless if it costs £1.6 trillion to drill it and refine it.

What North Sea oil needs is for the oil price to increase dramatically but that isn't going to happen because other countries have great leverage over us when it comes to production. The Saudis and OPEC can quickly increase demand to force down the oil price which essentially puts North Sea oil out of business.

Gas follows a similar story although why the government essentially stopped gas production years ago to instead mostly import from Norway (who have big state owned fields in the North Sea!) I just don't know.

The Norwegians in particular have incredible statistics on this, Equinor is their state owned energy company which manages Norwegian oil and gas exports and it brings in £60bn per year! I'd imagine they'll be having turkey this Christmas!
 
Mike D said:
Its been a while since I last posted, but here goes.

There seems to be a political storm brewing and lets be frank about this a large chunk of it is our own making Brexit, voting in a hard right populist government. But I'm not really old enough to remember this but it appear that we are heading for another winter of discontent just like we had in the late 70's a fuel crisis, rising inflation, bins not been emptied shortage of food on the supermarket shelves, shortages in pubs and restaurants, and now shortages at the petrol pumps.
Where does this all end because it certainly bears all the hallmark's of those dark day's. I'm just waiting for Boris to pop out and utter those immortal words 'Crisis, what crisis'
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Just a reminder that no-one ever said that. Not much chance of any of the Tory rags putting those words in Liar Johnson's mouth, even as he paints in the sun on a freebie from someone in reward for getting a peerage.
 
Very interesting, albeit concerning debate at a Russian Energy forum. All the big boys of business discussing the energy crisis with Putin.
 
inbetween said:
Oil and gas has always followed the rules of supply and demand but it's especially driven by supply. There are many people who keep saying that oil will soon run out but actually that's based upon active reserves and not those sat waiting to be drilled or even reserves sat undiscovered.

There's a big difference between a reserve and a proven reserve, the North Sea has big problems in that regard where at today's oil prices its just not profitable to get it out of the ground. Even if there is £1.5 trillion of oil sat out there, it's pointless if it costs £1.6 trillion to drill it and refine it.

What North Sea oil needs is for the oil price to increase dramatically but that isn't going to happen because other countries have great leverage over us when it comes to production. The Saudis and OPEC can quickly increase demand to force down the oil price which essentially puts North Sea oil out of business.

Gas follows a similar story although why the government essentially stopped gas production years ago to instead mostly import from Norway (who have big state owned fields in the North Sea!) I just don't know.

The Norwegians in particular have incredible statistics on this, Equinor is their state owned energy company which manages Norwegian oil and gas exports and it brings in £60bn per year! I'd imagine they'll be having turkey this Christmas!
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Why is it so expensive in the North Sea to drill
 
Dog whistling again - I think John Nettles left around a decade ago so they are not aiming at the show's avid viewers just looking to stir shit up and keep the culture wars going

www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk

Daily Star Sunday Front Page 17th of October 2021 - Tomorrow's Papers Today!

Midsomer Murders has been given a censor's warning, the Daily Star Sunday reports, but it is not for the reason you might think.
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Fucking hell. No wonder I steer clear of this stuff on here. Fuck me what a load of fucking bed wetters. Stop reading the fucking Guardian and the BBC.

Winter of Discontent.....

Jesus wept.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Dog whistling again - I think John Nettles left around a decade ago so they are not aiming at the show's avid viewers just looking to stir shit up and keep the culture wars going

www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk

Daily Star Sunday Front Page 17th of October 2021 - Tomorrow's Papers Today!

Midsomer Murders has been given a censor's warning, the Daily Star Sunday reports, but it is not for the reason you might think.
www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk
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It’s an episode from 1997 on britbox platform, the trigger warning is probably in writing.
 
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Can anyone explain, why there is a housing crises in the UK, I havent lived in the UK for many years butIve read that a great many foreign born people left the UK after the Brexit vote, wouldnt you assume there to be a surplus of housing stock if that was the case ?
Is that way too simple, supply and demand.
 
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