Well, maybe, but consider this:Yes, I do absolutely think that the GFA is the true purpose of the backstop. I do realise that respecting an international peace treaty means precisely fuck all to your average Brexiter and that because you are looking at it from a particularly warped perspective you feel able assume that people are exploiting it merely to stop your precious Brexit but it is important you don't judge everyone else by your own miserably low standards.
According to Dominic Raab, that quote came from "someone around" Selmeyr, who he wasn't willing to name.Well, maybe, but consider this:
Martin Selmeyr, who effectively designed the EU's negotiating stance, said:
"Britain's price for Brexit is the loss of N. Ireland".
It is at least possible that the Irish PM's goal is Irish unity. If the loss of NI is the price of Brexit, so is a civil war on EU soil.
How does Selmeyr's statement preserve the GFA, which places the constitutional position of NI firmly in the hands of the NI electorate?
His comment doesn't preserve the GFA, the backstop does.Well, maybe, but consider this:
Martin Selmeyr, who effectively designed the EU's negotiating stance, said:
"Britain's price for Brexit is the loss of N. Ireland".
It is at least possible that the Irish PM's goal is Irish unity. If the loss of NI is the price of Brexit, so is a civil war on EU soil.
How does Selmeyr's statement preserve the GFA, which places the constitutional position of NI firmly in the hands of the NI electorate?
And the GFA never envisaged NI out of the EU.His comment doesn't preserve the GFA, the backstop does.
Well done youYes, I do absolutely think that the GFA is the true purpose of the backstop. I do realise that respecting an international peace treaty means precisely fuck all to your average Brexiter and that because you are looking at it from a particularly warped perspective you feel able assume that people are exploiting it merely to stop your precious Brexit but it is important you don't judge everyone else by your own miserably low standards.
I think varying MPs have voted against it for varying reasons. But yes, I think plenty of them are completely contemptuous of the GFA because as I said the GFA means fuck all to many Brexiters. For many of the ERG, Brexit is everything and I don't think they give a shit about Ireland in the scheme of that. My standards are that when a country signs up to a peace treaty that has largely seen long term troubles ended that that country should make sure that it does nothing to disrupt that treaty. My standard is that when I see a plan negotiated that acts as a safety net in terms of not disrupting the treaty, I assume that they are doing it because they understand just how important the treaty is. Your standard is that you see people come up with the safety net and decide that it is merely a cynical ploy to stop your precious Brexit, presumably because you don't actually think the GFA is that important. That's fine, we don't agree, you think I am naïve, I can certainly live with that.Well done you
Your standards are clealy very high - utterly based on naivety IMO - and therefore limited with regard to reality
But if makes you feel good about yourself and makes you feel you can take the high ground - well at least one person can be made happy
Have you not wondered why soooooo many people voted against May's deal?
Do you think that they are all just contemptuous of the GFA?
Can't figure out what she's trying to do. I'm (usually) a Conservative voter but she really is proving to be a pretty crap PM.
If you look at it purely as an excericise in trying to keep together the Conservative party, at the expense of the country, it all makes perfect sense imo.
True enough.
If there were to be a GE, who the hell is someone like me meant to vote for? Country is crying out for a truly centrist political party.
You seem to have forgotten that, in the event of no deal Brexit, the EU will insist on a hard border. UK will not because tariffs will be zero.I think varying MPs have voted against it for varying reasons. But yes, I think plenty of them are completely contemptuous of the GFA because as I said the GFA means fuck all to many Brexiters. For many of the ERG, Brexit is everything and I don't think they give a shit about Ireland in the scheme of that. My standards are that when a country signs up to a peace treaty that has largely seen long term troubles ended that that country should make sure that it does nothing to disrupt that treaty. My standard is that when I see a plan negotiated that acts as a safety net in terms of not disrupting the treaty, I assume that they are doing it because they understand just how important the treaty is. Your standard is that you see people come up with the safety net and decide that it is merely a cynical ploy to stop your precious Brexit, presumably because you don't actually think the GFA is that important. That's fine, we don't agree, you think I am naïve, I can certainly live with that.
Hmmm....According to Dominic Raab, that quote came from "someone around" Selmeyr, who he wasn't willing to name.
She is absolutely fucking shameless....
It's a nice attempt to blame the EU but that doesn't convince me in the slightest that the backstop is merely a cynical attempt to stop Brexit. The EU don't want no deal, they have been consistent right from the beginning when we have been anything but and they assisted with coming up with a safety net regarding the Irish border. I'm not sure what else you expect them to do if we are such a fucking shambles that we end up crashing out without that safety net. Even now, they want to give us a longer extension to allow us to sort our shit out and May will only request a short one because she is playing games. If the GFA is fucked after all this, it totally lies at our door and not the EU's IMO.You seem to have forgotten that, in the event of no deal Brexit, the EU will insist on a hard border. UK will not because tariffs will be zero.