Threats to Obama Already...?

Knight1979 said:
It is this world. The world where Knights in shining armour don't stride in out of nowhere to make the world a perfect place.

Yes I have seen Eisenhower's farewell address. Your point is?
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I guess I'm just trying to figure out where your coming from. If that is your take on Obama what's your take on McCain? Or are you cynical towards them both and politics in general?
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Ok. In a nutshell. Both are gonna be a disaster. Choosing out of those 2 is like choosing between WW3(McCain) and the worst Economic downturn since 1929(Obama). So, you could say I was cynical about both.

Im guessing by your point about Eisenhower's farewell address, that you think Im a "NeoCon" because I am being critical of Obama. If so, you couldn't be more wrong. I may be adamantly against Socialism, but I am equally against Corporatism, if not more.

I agree far more with Obama about Foreign Policy, but in reality there is little to no difference between the 2 nominees, and indeed the 2 party's, on other issues.
 
ElanJo said:
Knight1979 said:
It is this world. The world where Knights in shining armour don't stride in out of nowhere to make the world a perfect place.

Yes I have seen Eisenhower's farewell address. Your point is?
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I guess I'm just trying to figure out where your coming from. If that is your take on Obama what's your take on McCain? Or are you cynical towards them both and politics in general?
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Ok. In a nutshell. Both are gonna be a disaster. Choosing out of those 2 is like choosing between WW3(McCain) and the worst Economic downturn since 1929(Obama). So, you could say I was cynical about both.

Im guessing by your point about Eisenhower's farewell address, that you think Im a "NeoCon" because I am being critical of Obama. If so, you couldn't be more wrong. I may be adamantly against Socialism, but I am equally against Corporatism, if not more.

I agree far more with Obama about Foreign Policy, but in reality there is little no difference between the 2 nominees, and indeed the 2 party's nowadays.
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Allright then....see that wasn't so bad? I don't really agree with you on the economic downside of Obama because I think he is more cuddly with big business then he is letting people to believe. I do agree with your McCain outlook though which is grim. We actually share a very similar outlook.........now Njinksky may still jump on you though!

I just misinterpreted your comments about Obama because it sounded very Fox newsish but it seems like you have nice cynical view of the big picture which is pretty much the way I feel. After all of that, I still think Obama will be the more prudent option.
 
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
And then the pre-requisite intelligence to make an informed decision.
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Show me yours, and I'll show you mine...


Knight1979 said:
Allright then....see that wasn't so bad? I don't really agree with you on the economic downside of Obama because I think he is more cuddly with big business then he is letting people to believe. I do agree with your McCain outlook though which is grim. We actually share a very similar outlook.........now Njinksky may still jump on you though!

I just misinterpreted your comments about Obama because it sounded very Fox newsish but it seems like you have nice cynical view of the big picture which is pretty much the way I feel. After all of that, I still think Obama will be the more prudent option.
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Being cuddly with business isn't the issue. It is (deficit)spending.

I'd rather have Obama, because I'd rather take my chances with a shite economy, than get embroiled in more wars for profit.

I don't know what this Nijinsky fella's problem is. Is he an Ultra Left Winger or something?
 
Now let me think; an economic downturn or World War 3?
Would that,by any chance,be the economic downturn which is well and truly with us already,(after God knows how many years of Republican fiscal misrule),and was well under way long before Barack Obama had even secured the Democrat nomination?
But hey,lets blame him anyway for the mess he inherits upon inauguration.
Nothing between the Republicans & Democrats?
That,if you took the trouble to read the 2 election manifestos,is complete & utter nonsense.
A Republican victory would be a disaster for blue-collar workers in the US and an endorsement of a disastrous foreign policy abroad.
I don't see Obama as a panacea for America's ills,but there is at least a degree of optimism there that is in sharp contrast to more Pentagon hawk lunacy.
 
Being cuddly with business isn't the issue. It is (deficit)spending.

I'd rather have Obama, because I'd rather take my chances with a shite economy, than get embroiled in more wars for profit.

I don't know what this Nijinsky fella's problem is. Is he an Ultra Left Winger or something?
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I'll let him speak to that. But couldn't you say a McCain would spend just as much if not more in military spending? The only difference in Obama would be that he would aim his spending domestically and McCain abroad towards his NeoCon endeavors. And Obama would roll back the tax cuts to the ultra rich that McCain would keep in place (eventhough he originally voted against the Bush tax cuts). As much as Ted Kennedy goes on about universal health care and as much as I would love to see comprehensive healthcare reform........it ain't gonna happen.

I know its easy to shrug off Obama's "change" and "hope" shit. But with regards to foreign policy I'm confident he would surround himself with free thinkers who aren't from the NeoCon school of thought. So I think there could be change in that sense. Maybe just maybe a kindler, gentler face for the US. Instead of a bunch of brainwashed NeoCons who see the world in black and white.
 
You know I thought about what I said, after I'd posted it and thought it wasn't quite the right tact, Elanjo, but then you'd already reached it before I.

However, there IS only two choices to be played out in the upcoming elections and one is clearly more dangerous than the other.

I think the original point of my 'change' reply was that earlier Presidents could've pulled the US nation together in their time of office, but chose foreign policy first, instead. The first way of implenting 'change' is to set in motion the extended withdrawral of troops in the Middle East. That's like money in the bank. It'll gather trust from the people to him.

I feel his main problem is how he'll go about changing the Health Care system and its intertwined HMO(and other) counterparts that eat away at the heart of the people, like a cancer.

Attempting these two starting points is what will unite the US, I feel. That the citizens may well feel that a President is actually there for them. 'Big business' will fall into line against a People President.

I don't know American politics on any great level, but I'll be watching on Thursday to see what impact he makes, trust me.
 
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