Ticket Points Sales Tracking

I don’t think there is any point in this divide and conquer stuff between fan groups. City have agreed a division of tickets and that’s the proportions of tickets that should be allocated.

There’s a little bit of misinformation in earlier pages. For example, when City introduced ID checks / ticket collections a few years back of course Supporters Club members were subject to these. I’m not really for or against these checks but there is no point in changing the ticket system to “achieve fairness” unless some sort of checks takes place. Besides enforcing the agree allocations split, I would leave the system as it is. A lot of people aren’t happy with the last changes introduced and it would be the same again with new revisions.

Interestingly, on the main City tickets Facebook page (that very rarely has away tickets these days), this “integrity of the points system” stuff doesn’t really get mentioned. Blues expect fellow Blues to use their initiative to try to get tickets.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I don’t think there is any point in this divide and conquer stuff between fan groups. City have agreed a division of tickets and that’s the proportions of tickets that should be allocated.

There’s a little bit of misinformation in earlier pages. For example, when City introduced ID checks / ticket collections a few years back of course Supporters Club members were subject to these. I’m not really for or against these checks but there is no point in changing the ticket system to “achieve fairness” unless some sort of checks takes place. Besides enforcing the agree allocations split, I would leave the system as it is. A lot of people aren’t happy with the last changes introduced and it would be the same again with new revisions.

Interestingly, on the main City tickets Facebook page (that very rarely has away tickets these days), this “integrity of the points system” stuff doesn’t really get mentioned. Blues expect fellow Blues to use their initiative to try to get tickets.
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Football fans have always done anything they can to get into big games, apart from Bournemouth I always qualify, now seem to have dropped out of Old Trafford so names on tickets would suit me but would be chaos at turnstile so ain't never going to happen.
 
If an away Derby ticket lands in the lap of anyone under the required points. I’m sure that would go straight back to the club for it to be distributed ‘fairly’ to someone with the ‘right’ amount of points.
 
I think whatever the outcome is the club will carry on giving tickets to sponsors /corporate / players etc..
Give Alex the recent CM rep much credit for his involvement and keeping us fans up to date with the minutes of these meeting and any other up to date info.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Can't speak for london branch bit far away but i'll take your word for it, I do know a few blues who've moved down that way met up with them in Lisbon, they have enough points to attend anyway though.
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I’ve been a member for years but binned it this season as never got a sniff of any tickets ..
I still can’t understand why people with enough points take up a OSC ticket, which also happened a lot in the London branch.. I guess it’s a sizeable branch hence a lot more tickets than others for some games ..
 
Quinny851 said:
The main thing for me is for the club to stop the selling of tickets to 3rd party websites. Whether this is directly from the club themselves or through tickets allocated to corporates/players etc. Seeing that Chelsea woman celebrating in the home end when we got beat by Madrid on penalties really pissed me off
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And that Youtube C*nt Ginger Rag with a fucking Madrid shirt on.
What the actual fuck
I can guarantee his has no membership and 0 ticket points
 

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Prestwich_Blue said:
It was before your time so if you don't believe me, then ask Simon & Kevin.

We've had this discussion before as part of CM and you're the only one making the case for reintroducing away ticket points. But then you've got high points so you would be in favour. Be careful you don't get accused of acting in self interest, like I have. However, there are ways this could be done, as I describe below.

As I've said to you before, your reasoning on people being able to catch up is flawed. The reason people can't catch up is that people on high points generally bought tickets even if they planned to sell them on. Whether that's to family, mates, members of their supporters clubs, on here or other social media sites like Facebook pages and Twitter. It's easy to get rid of a ticket, particularly when demand outstrips supply. This is the core of the problem and that's why the club were gathering evidence about it and wanted to stop it. For one reason, it's not fair to those with high points who miss out. For another, the risk is that tickets fall into the wrong hands, be that third party sites, touts or just individual away fans. I don't think anyone would disagree that we need to clamp down on that. If there's a way of stopping people selling on away tickets then your argument makes more sense but until there is (see below) it doesn't.

I do agree that if there's enforcement then it has to be across the board, but you might want to have a word with Kevin about what they do at OSC level to try to minimise this. On the basis of things I've been told, I believe a lot of the problem starts in Hospitality.

But there are scenarios where it would be feasible to reintroduce points. One is ticket collection at venue. As I've said, united do 100% collections and the fans support that. We maybe don't have to go that far but the level of collection has to be significant, 50 tickets doesn't cut it, and I agree it has to apply across the board, not just general admission season ticket holders.

The other, which is probably more promising, is digital ticketing, which is due to be mandatory from 2026. https://www.premierleague.com/news/4071456

If away tickets were also digital then they can be tracked and that should remove a lot of the problems.

Another thing (and I believe you're talking about this) is changing the points system. It was introduced in 2001 or 2002 I think, and were the only club who use the lifetime accumulation of points. The other 'big 6' teams, who have big away followings, use a maximum 3-year rolling system to allocate away tickets. We talked at length and in great detail about moving to a 5-year system but we were keen to ensure that there was a fair system for doing that, that didn't unfairly disadvantage existing fans with high points. But there are ways of doing that that aren't beyond the wit of the people dealing with the issues, such as you and the other CM members.
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I disagreed with removal of away points but can understand some of the reasons.
A way forward would be to introduce points for certain match. Lets face it - everyone wants Anfield and OT - but ticket points for Spurs away in the league cup or Southampton/Brighton are justified. I saw no evidence of points hoarders at those matches. So they don't need to be awarded for all matches.
 
Blue Til Death said:
I’ve been a member for years but binned it this season as never got a sniff of any tickets ..
I still can’t understand why people with enough points take up a OSC ticket, which also happened a lot in the London branch.. I guess it’s a sizeable branch hence a lot more tickets than others for some games ..
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Pretty sure in our branch not that we get many OSC tickets members who get them don't have enough points usually younger end. But secretary orders for those who have enough points so we travel together and sit/stand together.
 
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