To catch a predator

[Pocomoke blue]

Pokomoke, you're really missed the point here. No-one is justifying paedophilia, it's an accepted fact that it's abhorent, what people are saying is that the show 'To Catch a Predator' is wrong, on may levels. It's devisive, the shows makers aren't interested in justice, they're interested in ratings and money. The police have training in how to catch criminals, whatever their crime, TV show presenters, editors and producers do not. The policing of the population should be left up to those entrusted with the job, this show is one step away from vigilanteism.

As for Knight1979's evidence, surely how long ago it was, or where it originated is entirely irrelevant? So what if the information is from 12 months ago, and is British in origin, does that mean it's entirely inacurate based solely on time and nationality? You claim he trawls the internet for information and provides nothing new himself, how exactly is anyone supposed to provide new information on paedophilia? Unless you're involved in it, from either a perpetrator or detective standpoint, how do you come up with anything new? You've also accused him of lying about someone offing themselves 'in front of the camera', that's not exactly what he said now is it? That's how you've interpreted what he said, because that way you can rant at him and try and make him seem insincere. What he said was he'd offed himself 'whilst the cameras were rolling', this doesn't mean they were aimed at him at the time. It's entirely possible the cameras were outside the house, with the police and the film crew, when he shot himself inside the house is it not?

As for using the youtube clips as evidence, one way or the other, it's a flawed process. It doesn't prove, or disprove, anything. The police may want to be on TV, to make themselves and their profession look good, one youtube clip can't say either way for certain. Also, just because the clips don't mention any out of court settlement, doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means it isn't mentioned on the clips so accusations of lying are a little eronious wouldn't you say?

Potentially the policedid have probable cause to turn up at this man's house, but there's a huge difference between that and conclusive evidence. And your assertion that he shot himself 'because he was guilty' is a huge assumption. Maybe he was guilty. Maybe he was so traumatised by the thought that the old adage 'mud sticks' being true that he couldn't live the rest of his life being know as a paedophile when he wasn't, I mean you've already judged him based on pretty much no evidence whatsoever haven't you?

I wouldn't say Knight1979 was an insult to anyone, let alone victims of paedophilia or 'decent folk'. I'd class myself as 'decent' and his posts haven't offended or insulted me, but maybe that's because I've actually read them and understood the point he was trying to make, rather than reacting in a very knee-jerk way and missing the point entirely.

'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.'
W.S.Churchill

 

[AntonDonJuan]

What actually happens when they jump out Jeremy Beadle style and present them with the evidence?

I have seen the odd advert for it on FX but don't really get the idea behind the show. Do they just track paedo's and then send a kid to go and meet them?

 

[Matty]

Pokomoke, you're really missed the point here. No-one is justifying paedophilia, it's an accepted fact that it's abhorent, what people are saying is that the show 'To Catch a Predator' is wrong, on may levels. It's devisive, the shows makers aren't interested in justice, they're interested in ratings and money. The police have training in how to catch criminals, whatever their crime, TV show presenters, editors and producers do not. The policing of the population should be left up to those entrusted with the job, this show is one step away from vigilanteism.

As for Knight1979's evidence, surely how long ago it was, or where it originated is entirely irrelevant? So what if the information is from 12 months ago, and is British in origin, does that mean it's entirely inacurate based solely on time and nationality? You claim he trawls the internet for information and provides nothing new himself, how exactly is anyone supposed to provide new information on paedophilia? Unless you're involved in it, from either a perpetrator or detective standpoint, how do you come up with anything new? You've also accused him of lying about someone offing themselves 'in front of the camera', that's not exactly what he said now is it? That's how you've interpreted what he said, because that way you can rant at him and try and make him seem insincere. What he said was he'd offed himself 'whilst the cameras were rolling', this doesn't mean they were aimed at him at the time. It's entirely possible the cameras were outside the house, with the police and the film crew, when he shot himself inside the house is it not?

As for using the youtube clips as evidence, one way or the other, it's a flawed process. It doesn't prove, or disprove, anything. The police may want to be on TV, to make themselves and their profession look good, one youtube clip can't say either way for certain. Also, just because the clips don't mention any out of court settlement, doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means it isn't mentioned on the clips so accusations of lying are a little eronious wouldn't you say?

Potentially the policedid have probable cause to turn up at this man's house, but there's a huge difference between that and conclusive evidence. And your assertion that he shot himself 'because he was guilty' is a huge assumption. Maybe he was guilty. Maybe he was so traumatised by the thought that the old adage 'mud sticks' being true that he couldn't live the rest of his life being know as a paedophile when he wasn't, I mean you've already judged him based on pretty much no evidence whatsoever haven't you?

I wouldn't say Knight1979 was an insult to anyone, let alone victims of paedophilia or 'decent folk'. I'd class myself as 'decent' and his posts haven't offended or insulted me, but maybe that's because I've actually read them and understood the point he was trying to make, rather than reacting in a very knee-jerk way and missing the point entirely.

'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.'
W.S.Churchill

Did you trawl the internet for that quote? Hardly new is it?

I'll take your rather glib, and particularly inaccurate, response as confirmation that you've got no real answer to anything I've said. In fact, having read through this entire thread, I can't actually see anything constructive you've had to say on the matter. Oh yes, you've attacked Knight1979 for something you've mistakenly assumed he's trying to say, but you've not actually brought anything constructive to the discussion. One could be forgiven for thinking that was becasue you've not actually got anything constructive to say.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his(or her) mind and won't change the subject."
W.S.Churchill

See, anyone can do that.

 

[Matty]

What actually happens when they jump out Jeremy Beadle style and present them with the evidence?

I have seen the odd advert for it on FX but don't really get the idea behind the show. Do they just track paedo's and then send a kid to go and meet them?

They send a young woman who is actually 18 or so but looks like they could well be much younger. They then film the encounter, confront the paedophile and then he is arrested by awaiting police. It's all done in the best possible taste obviously, and not in the least bit exploitative and sensationalised to appease the idiotic viewers who think it's exceptional TV.

 

[Pocomoke blue]

What actually happens when they jump out Jeremy Beadle style and present them with the evidence?

I have seen the odd advert for it on FX but don't really get the idea behind the show. Do they just track paedo's and then send a kid to go and meet them?

no, they don't send anyone! they track the paedo for a while then arrest him when he turns up wanting sex! and there are some sick people out there! To me, it's a good thing these creeps are put in jail! only appeasers of paedophilia have a problem with the show!

 

[AntonDonJuan]

My old PE teacher and football coach at school got done for being a paedo.

Can't remember how long he got, caleld Malcolm Abbott. There is a group on facebook called "I went to West Hill school and Mr. Abbott cupped me" haha

He used to get in the shower with everyone after training, i used to leg it before he made you get a shower (I'm lying i used to scrub his back and let him wash my coin purse =0)

 

[Pocomoke blue]

Pokomoke, you're really missed the point here. No-one is justifying paedophilia, it's an accepted fact that it's abhorent, what people are saying is that the show 'To Catch a Predator' is wrong, on may levels. It's devisive, the shows makers aren't interested in justice, they're interested in ratings and money. The police have training in how to catch criminals, whatever their crime, TV show presenters, editors and producers do not. The policing of the population should be left up to those entrusted with the job, this show is one step away from vigilanteism.

As for Knight1979's evidence, surely how long ago it was, or where it originated is entirely irrelevant? So what if the information is from 12 months ago, and is British in origin, does that mean it's entirely inacurate based solely on time and nationality? You claim he trawls the internet for information and provides nothing new himself, how exactly is anyone supposed to provide new information on paedophilia? Unless you're involved in it, from either a perpetrator or detective standpoint, how do you come up with anything new? You've also accused him of lying about someone offing themselves 'in front of the camera', that's not exactly what he said now is it? That's how you've interpreted what he said, because that way you can rant at him and try and make him seem insincere. What he said was he'd offed himself 'whilst the cameras were rolling', this doesn't mean they were aimed at him at the time. It's entirely possible the cameras were outside the house, with the police and the film crew, when he shot himself inside the house is it not?

As for using the youtube clips as evidence, one way or the other, it's a flawed process. It doesn't prove, or disprove, anything. The police may want to be on TV, to make themselves and their profession look good, one youtube clip can't say either way for certain. Also, just because the clips don't mention any out of court settlement, doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means it isn't mentioned on the clips so accusations of lying are a little eronious wouldn't you say?

Potentially the policedid have probable cause to turn up at this man's house, but there's a huge difference between that and conclusive evidence. And your assertion that he shot himself 'because he was guilty' is a huge assumption. Maybe he was guilty. Maybe he was so traumatised by the thought that the old adage 'mud sticks' being true that he couldn't live the rest of his life being know as a paedophile when he wasn't, I mean you've already judged him based on pretty much no evidence whatsoever haven't you?

I wouldn't say Knight1979 was an insult to anyone, let alone victims of paedophilia or 'decent folk'. I'd class myself as 'decent' and his posts haven't offended or insulted me, but maybe that's because I've actually read them and understood the point he was trying to make, rather than reacting in a very knee-jerk way and missing the point entirely.

'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.'
W.S.Churchill

Did you trawl the internet for that quote? Hardly new is it?

I'll take your rather glib, and particularly inaccurate, response as confirmation that you've got no real answer to anything I've said. In fact, having read through this entire thread, I can't actually see anything constructive you've had to say on the matter. Oh yes, you've attacked Knight1979 for something you've mistakenly assumed he's trying to say, but you've not actually brought anything constructive to the discussion. One could be forgiven for thinking that was becasue you've not actually got anything constructive to say.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his(or her) mind and won't change the subject."
W.S.Churchill

See, anyone can do that.

No I did not trawl the internet for that quote! I'm reading a book on Churchill!
So my opinion is different so it becomes not contstructive!? i really don't care!

 

[mat]

Chris Morris was right:
Paedogeddon!

 

[AntonDonJuan]

Oh how i miss my Malky =(

 

[The Pink Panther]

My old PE teacher and football coach at school got done for being a paedo.

Can't remember how long he got, caleld Malcolm Abbott. There is a group on facebook called "I went to West Hill school and Mr. Abbott cupped me" haha

He used to get in the shower with everyone after training, i used to leg it before he made you get a shower (I'm lying i used to scrub his back and let him wash my coin purse =0)

My Mrs and brother attended the same primary school and one of the teachers got caught and convicted of paedophilia whilst they were there. He picked his targets (the quietest girls) and molested them.
Not very funny at all

 

[AntonDonJuan]

My old PE teacher and football coach at school got done for being a paedo.

Can't remember how long he got, caleld Malcolm Abbott. There is a group on facebook called "I went to West Hill school and Mr. Abbott cupped me" haha

He used to get in the shower with everyone after training, i used to leg it before he made you get a shower (I'm lying i used to scrub his back and let him wash my coin purse =0)

My Mrs and brother attended the same primary school and one of the teachers got caught and convicted of paedophilia whilst they were there. He picked his targets (the quietest girls) and molested them.
Not very funny at all

Ours was a high school, everyone knew he was a weirdo.

He on making you have a shower after training which was after school, if you got caught skipping the shower the got detention. Everyone used to leg it back to the changing rooms after training and grab their stuff and run off.

He was a proper weirdo, used to come and shower in the communal showers with everyone who actually got a shower.

No suprise when he got banged up the prick

 

[Matty]

only appeasers of paedophilia have a problem with the show!

I'm going to say this V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y so you can understand it. I'll also try to use words with only a couple of syllables as you seem to be having a problem grasping the English language.

The problem with the show is that it is distasteful. It's not remotely interested in justice, just ratings. It's aimed at that section of society that can't help looking at a car crash when they drive past, in the hope they see a severed limb. It's voyeuristic. It doesn't highlight the issue and warn people of the dangers as that wouldn't be a ratings winner, it just thrills it's viewers with tales of sordid behaviour and the excitement of the chase/capture.

As mentioned before, it's one step away from vigilanteism. What's the difference between some TV show hunting down paedophiles and John Smith from down the street hunting them down? It's dangerous, it tells people (ill-informed, under-educated people who feast on this kind of sh*te TV) that taking the law into your own hands is acceptable as long as the ends justify it. What's to stop John Smith doing his own 'investigation', deciding the loner who lives on his street is, in fact, a paedo and killing him? He's seen it's ok to track down these people and bring them to justice, even if you're not the police. Maybe his version of justice is is death?

The show is vile. I don't need the pursuit and capture of paedophiles to be broadcast in an 'entertainment' show for me to be aware they exist and for me to realise what they do is reprehensible. Thinking this show is wrong, inappropriate and dangerous doesn't make me, or anyone else who shares these views, an 'appeaser of paedophilia'. It makes me someone who doesn't take things at face value, someone who actually has the intelligence to see past the hype and realise when something isn't what it's claiming to be.

However you can't help thinking that anyone who doesn't like the show, or thinks it's not socially acceptable to be on TV, is an appeaser, it's not your fault you're a moron.

 

[Pocomoke blue]

only appeasers of paedophilia have a problem with the show!

I'm going to say this V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y so you can understand it. I'll also try to use words with only a couple of syllables as you seem to be having a problem grasping the English language.

The problem with the show is that it is distasteful. It's not remotely interested in justice, just ratings. It's aimed at that section of society that can't help looking at a car crash when they drive past, in the hope they see a severed limb. It's voyeuristic. It doesn't highlight the issue and warn people of the dangers as that wouldn't be a ratings winner, it just thrills it's viewers with tales of sordid behaviour and the excitement of the chase/capture.

As mentioned before, it's one step away from vigilanteism. What's the difference between some TV show hunting down paedophiles and John Smith from down the street hunting them down? It's dangerous, it tells people (ill-informed, under-educated people who feast on this kind of sh*te TV) that taking the law into your own hands is acceptable as long as the ends justify it. What's to stop John Smith doing his own 'investigation', deciding the loner who lives on his street is, in fact, a paedo and killing him? He's seen it's ok to track down these people and bring them to justice, even if you're not the police. Maybe his version of justice is is death?

The show is vile. I don't need the pursuit and capture of paedophiles to be broadcast in an 'entertainment' show for me to be aware they exist and for me to realise what they do is reprehensible. Thinking this show is wrong, inappropriate and dangerous doesn't make me, or anyone else who shares these views, an 'appeaser of paedophilia'. It makes me someone who doesn't take things at face value, someone who actually has the intelligence to see past the hype and realise when something isn't what it's claiming to be.

However you can't help thinking that anyone who doesn't like the show, or thinks it's not socially acceptable to be on TV, is an appeaser, it's not your fault you're a moron.

you can call me all the names you want! I really don't care! :P
With your view on whats socially acceptable TV, it's no suprise you live in a fucked up country!

 

[Matty]

With your view on whats socially acceptable TV, it's no suprise you live in a fucked up country!

If that wasn't so pitifully sad I'd be laughing my c*ck off round about now. How anyone living in America can describe anyone else's country as being 'f*cked up' is beyond me.

Gun crime.

New Orleans.

Need I say more?

It's nice to see your xenaphobic attitude finally coming to the front. Your assertion that Knight1979 was British and not American always had an undertone of "Your view doesn't matter as you come from another country" to it. Doesn't really help your 'argument' now does it? Obviously I use the term 'argument' loosely as that would entail you actually bringing something to the table other than "Anyone who disagrees with me likes paedophiles".......

 

[Pocomoke blue]

oh, so i'm xenaphobic now not a moron? you are a fucking cluess butt-wipe!
"Your view doesn't matter as you come from another country" that is really a stupid statement isn't it?........In typical Uk PC docterine you resort like Knight to play the race card! because you know no different!
Gun crime is rife in the UK......not so much here!
Get out of your sububan little world and walk around and see what the world really is.........stop smoking weed and playing with yourself and making assumptions on a whim or a report!
New Orleans, what is your point there? everyone suffered who was poor!
I can walk the streets at night with out fear of being attacked or molested! I can keep my car and house un-locked at night: YOU CAN"T!
Do you know any child that been abused, girl raped? no, I think not! or you'd not criticise T.C.A.P.
You are fucked up! same as your Fucked up country........

 

[Bozo]

Pocomoke blue -

 

[Knight1979]

uh.........what was that exactly? I think the fact that she said, "butt wipe" speaks volumes. I'm speechless. I could try to pick her statement apart and try to figure out what she's alluding to but that would be futile. These are the ramblings of someone who is either insane or border-line pathological.

Maybe we could start a new thread about the education system in the States and Pocomoke could be the centerpiece of the discussion.

 

[BlueMooney]

Gun crime is rife in the UK......not so much here!

America is the only country I've heard where the official response to a shooting or a series of shootings has been: "Well, if the other people had had guns, this wouldn't have happened..."

 

[Matty]

oh, so i'm xenaphobic now not a moron? you are a fucking cluess butt-wipe!

No, you're xenaphobic AND a moron, they do normally go hand in hand. I would hazard a guess that I have more of a clue than you do, in fact I wouldn't even class it as a guess, more a caste iron certainty.

"Your view doesn't matter as you come from another country" that is really a stupid statement isn't it?........In typical Uk PC docterine you resort like Knight to play the race card! because you know no different!

Err, who exactly was the first one of us to play the race card again? Would it be you with your it's no surprise you live in a f*cked up country statement, or me calling you out on the aformentioned statement? It's a tough one there isn't it?

Gun crime is rife in the UK......not so much here!

I'm not even going to bother debating this one as you're clearly clueless if you believe this to be true. How many million guns are there in private hands in America? I could trawl the net to find the actually figures for gun crime in the USA and compare it to gun crime in the UK, but what's the point when anyone with more than 1 brain cell already knows the outcome, the USA has far more gun crime per head of the population than the UK. Anyone asserting otherwise is, quite frankly, an idiot.

Get out of your suburban little world and walk around and see what the world really is.........stop smoking weed and playing with yourself and making assumptions on a whim or a report!

Never smoked weed thanks. Can't comment on the playing with myself statement however. Assumptions, based on reports, are not necessarily incorrect, that's the beauty of reports, they tend to use facts.

New Orleans, what is your point there? everyone suffered who was poor!

My point is just that. The people who suffered were poor. In many cases dirt poor. And what did the government do? P*ssed about. Have you seen reports and images from New Orleans now? Years on from what happened people are still suffering. Still struggling. The UK has something called 'The Wellfare state', we actually assist our less fortunate citizens. Do you really think we'd have left New orleans to suffer the way the USA did? Surprising that the Bush administration, who new those struggling would never be voters for his party didn't exactly have great motivation to rush to their assistance. Our 'f*cked up country' has something we call the NHS, ever heard of it? What it means is ANYONE can get medical treatment/aid, ANYONE. You don't need money, or insurance, you get treated when you need to be treated. It's not perfect, but it doesn't mean the poor end up dying because they can't pay for their treatment.

I can walk the streets at night with out fear of being attacked or molested! I can keep my car and house un-locked at night: YOU CAN"T!

Yeah, maybe YOU can. Can inhabitants of Detroit do that? How about those living in Washington DC? Or areas of Los Angeles? The fact YOU can walk around without fear just indicates how separated from the real world you really are.

Do you know any child that been abused, girl raped? no, I think not! or you'd not criticise T.C.A.P.

Yes, I believe I would still criticise, for the same reasons I've already given, on numerous occasions. It isn't the place of an entertainment show to be catching criminals regardless of their crime, that's the polices job, a job that is best conducted away from the public eye and not on prime time TV.

You are fucked up! same as your Fucked up country........

I'm sorry, who's the xenaphobic one again? I forget.

I'll be honest, I'm beginning to lose the will to argue with you, I'm finding reading your innane drivel pretty tiresome now, I generally tend to struggle when it comes to communicating with idiots.

 

[stony]

oh, so i'm xenaphobic now not a moron? you are a fucking cluess butt-wipe!

No, you're xenaphobic AND a moron, they do normally go hand in hand. I would hazard a guess that I have more of a clue than you do, in fact I wouldn't even class it as a guess, more a caste iron certainty.

"Your view doesn't matter as you come from another country" that is really a stupid statement isn't it?........In typical Uk PC docterine you resort like Knight to play the race card! because you know no different!

Err, who exactly was the first one of us to play the race card again? Would it be you with your it's no surprise you live in a f*cked up country statement, or me calling you out on the aformentioned statement? It's a tough one there isn't it?

Gun crime is rife in the UK......not so much here!

I'm not even going to bother debating this one as you're clearly clueless if you believe this to be true. How many million guns are there in private hands in America? I could trawl the net to find the actually figures for gun crime in the USA and compare it to gun crime in the UK, but what's the point when anyone with more than 1 brain cell already knows the outcome, the USA has far more gun crime per head of the population than the UK. Anyone asserting otherwise is, quite frankly, an idiot.

Get out of your suburban little world and walk around and see what the world really is.........stop smoking weed and playing with yourself and making assumptions on a whim or a report!

Never smoked weed thanks. Can't comment on the playing with myself statement however. Assumptions, based on reports, are not necessarily incorrect, that's the beauty of reports, they tend to use facts.

New Orleans, what is your point there? everyone suffered who was poor!

My point is just that. The people who suffered were poor. In many cases dirt poor. And what did the government do? P*ssed about. Have you seen reports and images from New Orleans now? Years on from what happened people are still suffering. Still struggling. The UK has something called 'The Wellfare state', we actually assist our less fortunate citizens. Do you really think we'd have left New orleans to suffer the way the USA did? Surprising that the Bush administration, who new those struggling would never be voters for his party didn't exactly have great motivation to rush to their assistance. Our 'f*cked up country' has something we call the NHS, ever heard of it? What it means is ANYONE can get medical treatment/aid, ANYONE. You don't need money, or insurance, you get treated when you need to be treated. It's not perfect, but it doesn't mean the poor end up dying because they can't pay for their treatment.

I can walk the streets at night with out fear of being attacked or molested! I can keep my car and house un-locked at night: YOU CAN"T!

Yeah, maybe YOU can. Can inhabitants of Detroit do that? How about those living in Washington DC? Or areas of Los Angeles? The fact YOU can walk around without fear just indicates how separated from the real world you really are.

Do you know any child that been abused, girl raped? no, I think not! or you'd not criticise T.C.A.P.

Yes, I believe I would still criticise, for the same reasons I've already given, on numerous occasions. It isn't the place of an entertainment show to be catching criminals regardless of their crime, that's the polices job, a job that is best conducted away from the public eye and not on prime time TV.

You are fucked up! same as your Fucked up country........

I'm sorry, who's the xenaphobic one again? I forget.

I'll be honest, I'm beginning to lose the will to argue with you, I'm finding reading your innane drivel pretty tiresome now, I generally tend to struggle when it comes to communicating with idiots.

Hear hear' Shit in her handbag as well Matty!