To the Rags who say we are buying success....

[123abcd]

When United floated on the stock market & became a football business they sold their soul to the Devil. And on Sunday, he came to collect!

JM

haha this!

And if it's that easy with money, why hasn't Real Madrid won everything under the sun in the last 10 years?

 

[Frank the Yank]

When United floated on the stock market & became a football business they sold their soul to the Devil. And on Sunday, he came to collect!

JM

haha this!

And if it's that easy with money, why hasn't Real Madrid won everything under the sun in the last 10 years?

Er umm.. I think because of barcelona!!!<br /><br />-- Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:08 am --<br /><br />This thread of gold!!! I have found myself trying to reson with one eyed Rags. Some of the old hands that have been there when they werent what they are today, I can almost take. Its the 20 somethings and below that really get on my tits!!!

 

[SOUTHSTANDINGSTANDER]

Best thing to say to a rag - "We're rich and we lav it!!!"

Half of my rag-pals want to smash me in the face whenever I say it... love it!!!!

 

[kiam06]

The OP is spot on but the problem is 90% of Man Utd fans are thick armchair fans who couldn't name there last three manager before ferguson. They are brainwashed by red top newspapers and follow their media agenda to keep them in a position of power.

They are deluded and it will no longer work, it will take a while but most are beginning to realise City are becoming a major force.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

It;s not just rags thinking this...

Did anyone happen to see Dan Lobb on Daybreak this morning...Only happened to flick it on as John Stapleton was on.."City buying success" were his exact words...Stapleton replied "Yes-but we have to buy the right players Dan". His face was a picture...For those of you that don't know him he is the ex sky sports news presenter...Fucking cock...

 

[Chippy_boy]

Just remind them their wage bill is higher than ours (£250m vs £230m).

Then you can tell them no-one in the right mind would join the rags and players only go there for the money :-)

 

[M18CTID]

Direct any Rags to research the names John Henry Davies and James W. Gibson!

Thing is, according to some Rags that do know their history that was somehow different to what we are doing today - one of the reasons being that they were local people whereas our owner had no previous connection with Manchester.

Which begs the question - if it's not acceptable for a rich person to plough money into a football club in a city he had no connection with, funny how it's acceptable for millions upon millions of football fans to plough money into a football club in a city that they too have no connection with!

Aside from the appalling double standards of the above, the dynamics of football are totally different now to what they were 100 years ago - back then football clubs didn't have national and global appeal unlike today.

To be fair, there aren't any reds that I know that peddle the "buying success" or "ruining football" line - they accept that it's a dog-eat-dog world and that United have been complicit in various practices that have seen their club make a shit-load of money down the years.

Try telling that to some of the numpties that purport to support them and it'll be lost on them, trotting out the same old lines that their club has "always done things the right way" and other associated bullshit. To those people, particularly cunts like Allforone, Cuntanoid, and that fat slag from Belfast I ask this - does doing things the right way include kicking the survivors of the Munich air disaster and their families out of their club-rented homes? Or joining forces with Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal, and Spurs in the 1980's in carving up the TV rights so that the "Big 5" got the lion's share and everyone else got next to nowt?

Those are only 2 examples of many but it shows just how selfish they have been as a club down the years. However, some of them are so fucking blinkered or hypocritical that they won't accept the cuntish behaviour of their club - even towards their own that were involved in the Munich air disaster ffs - at various points in their history. Not to mention the numerous leg-ups the ladder they've had from rich benefactors and the various times we've helped the fuckers out!

 

[petrusha]

We ARE buying success - but so what? The argument is facile.

United fans who take this line argue that they've spent a lot of money, broken transfer records and so on, but it's money that's been generated through having a huge support, which in turn was a result of consistent success. They've done things in what they call the 'right way', in other words, as have the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, who've won trophies in the modern era and regularly qualified for the Champions League. We and Chelsea, on the other hand, have simply got lucky by being taken over by some foreign billionaire so are to be derided.

Now, firstly United and Arsenal fans who are so proud of their 'history' might care to reflect on the fact that the initial trophy-winning sequences in those illustrious histories were, in fact, purchased in a manner rather similar to that which now causes them to turn their noses up. Obviously none of them have ever heard of John H. Davies or Henry Norris!

And the thing is that English football always had mechanisms to ensure relative equality of competition, such as gate receipts being shared by the home and away team. This lessened the financial advantage enjoyed by the best supported clubs. As a result, in the sixties and seventies, large and even medium sized clubs going through a bad time could revive spectacularly quickly by getting a decent manage, bringing through some good young players and making judicious buys. Liverpool under Shankly, Leeds under Revie, City under Mercer/Allison, and Derby under Clough/Taylor - all won or contended for the league championship within a short period after being marooned, often struggling, in the old Second Division.

Unfortunately this is no longer possible (shared gate receipts went out in the early 1980s). If there were any chance of City emulating our rise under Joe and Malcolm by doing things in the same way, then no one would love us to achieve that more than I would. It isn't, so what these idiot United (and other) fans seem to think we should do is meekly accept our place in the order of things, go on being fodder for the so-called 'Big Four' and have, as the summit of our ambition, the odd Europa League campaign or domstic cup run.

Well, screw that. In the circumstances, I'm quite happy with the way we've gone. I'd say the same if Mansour had ended up not with us but with, say, Everton, Villa or Newcastle. Someone was always going to challenge the established order, and the game as a whole is all the more interesting for that.

Summary for those who (quite understandably) can't be bothered with all of the above - bollocks to them, the clueless, ignorant, know-nowt fuckwits.

 

[Jordie]

It;s not just rags thinking this...

Did anyone happen to see Dan Lobb on Daybreak this morning...Only happened to flick it on as John Stapleton was on.."City buying success" were his exact words...Stapleton replied "Yes-but we have to buy the right players Dan". His face was a picture...For those of you that don't know him he is the ex sky sports news presenter...Fucking cock...

Proper blue John. Seen him in the ground having a drink before the match.

 

[M18CTID]

We ARE buying success - but so what? The argument is facile.

United fans who take this line argue that they've spent a lot of money, broken transfer records and so on, but it's money that's been generated through having a huge support, which in turn was a result of consistent success. They've done things in what they call the 'right way', in other words, as have the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, who've won trophies in the modern era and regularly qualified for the Champions League. We and Chelsea, on the other hand, have simply got lucky by being taken over by some foreign billionaire so are to be derided.

Now, firstly United and Arsenal fans who are so proud of their 'history' might care to reflect on the fact that the initial trophy-winning sequences in those illustrious histories were, in fact, purchased in a manner rather similar to that which now causes them to turn their noses up. Obviously none of them have ever heard of John H. Davies or Henry Norris!

And the thing is that English football always had mechanisms to ensure relative equality of competition, such as gate receipts being shared by the home and away team. This lessened the financial advantage enjoyed by the best supported clubs. As a result, in the sixties and seventies, large and even medium sized clubs going through a bad time could revive spectacularly quickly by getting a decent manage, bringing through some good young players and making judicious buys. Liverpool under Shankly, Leeds under Revie, City under Mercer/Allison, and Derby under Clough/Taylor - all won or contended for the league championship within a short period after being marooned, often struggling, in the old Second Division.

Unfortunately this is no longer possible (shared gate receipts went out in the early 1980s). If there were any chance of City emulating our rise under Joe and Malcolm by doing things in the same way, then no one would love us to achieve that more than I would. It isn't, so what these idiot United (and other) fans seem to think we should do is meekly accept our place in the order of things, go on being fodder for the so-called 'Big Four' and have, as the summit of our ambition, the odd Europa League campaign or domstic cup run.

Well, screw that. In the circumstances, I'm quite happy with the way we've gone. I'd say the same if Mansour had ended up not with us but with, say, Everton, Villa or Newcastle. Someone was always going to challenge the established order, and the game as a whole is all the more interesting for that.

Summary for those who (quite understandably) can't be bothered with all of the above - bollocks to them, the clueless, ignorant, know-nowt fuckwits.

While I've no great love for Everton and Newcastle (I don't mind Villa) I couldn't agree more with this. I've never begrudged any club for spending money donated to them by a rich owner or money borrowed from outside sources as United did which largely funded Ferguson's spending sprees in the late 1980's (self-sufficient club my arse!). No other City fan that I know of used to moan about it either. Sure, we were perhaps a little envious of other clubs spending big money and in United's case we'd sooner they didn't spend big money because we want them to lose every game but outright bitterness, jealousy, and moral outrage? Not a chance.

And this is why football fans of all clubs moaning about this kind of thing should man the fuck up and get on with it. As for the moral outrage from opposition fans, not only should they learn about their own club's history but just as importantly these people should remember that at least 99.99% of football fans didn't pull out their moral compass when choosing which club to support so it renders their point completely and utterly invalid.

Anyway, great post by the way petrusha and good to see you back posting on here.