Today's shooting in America thread

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It's not the guns, it's because kids don't pray in public schools.

They prey instead

 

[FCBarca]

more guns per capita in many other countries...really?

Switzerland gun ownership is greater per capita, for example

 

[FCBarca]

Not an executive branch issue; it's a legislative branch issue. The President can preach all he wants, but when the House and Senate vote down or refuse to bring to the floor gun control initiatives like a strengthening and extension of the Assault Weapons ban (as Dianne Feinstein has tried to, repeatedly), there's not a ton the President can do.

Absence of leadership much less framing the discussions. No President on either side of the aisle has done much to abate gun violence so while it’s accurate that the legislative branch is largely responsible for laws they vote in corporate coalitions and that trickles down from the leadership (Or lack thereof) from the executive branch.

Bottom line, there is no real credible interest in changing laws for gun control since it betrays the constituency. You want real change, you have to modify the culture with respect to guns & violence

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Switzerland gun ownership is greater per capita, for example

Do you have a different source than the wiki data someone posted?

 

[FCBarca]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

It isn't even close. The USA has by far the most guns per capita. It is the culture that has become a problem though.

Yep, I see that now - I seem to recall it being different in the past but apparently the trend has been widening for more than a decade

 

[FCBarca]

Do you have a different source than the wiki data someone posted?

No, I was going off old data - just saw that now.

 

[aguero93:20]

Trump is always on about needing guns for personal protection. I wonder when was the last time someone shot someone else in self defense?

I think shooting Trump would have an arguable case of self defence for about 7bn people at this stage.

 

[Afterthefact]

The violent energy and chaos required by America’s birth and unrestrained adolescent expansion is now trapped, frustrated, and collapsing in on itself. It is a terrible phase of life in which to be heavily armed.

 

[idahoblues]

Switzerland gun ownership is greater per capita, for example

I very much doubt it

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Switzerland gun ownership is greater per capita, for example

That maybe correct but it certainly doesn't include semi automatic rifles.