Today's shooting in America thread

[Ballymagash Blue]

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Such ugly mugs.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

99% of able bodied people can be trained to do that with varying amounts of training. The difference being that very few people can do it when it matters, because that isn't something you can easily train for. The first time most people realise this is when it matters. This is why guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting or criminal assault than to be used to injure or kill in self-defence.

Really?

THAT’s “the reason”?

Think about it for a minute and get back to me.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Everyone considers themselves a responsible gun owner... right up the point their 5 year old gets their hands on a loaded weapon and shoots their 3 year old brother in the face.

So, if I don’t have a 3 or 5 yr old, and keep my guns locked up, I qualify, right?

Btw, what’s important to me is that the guns are safely secured and I follow the law….not what people on BM have to say about that.

Do I STILL qualify?

P.S. Your example is, literally, the definition of a NON-responsible gun owner, so how can you promote otherwise?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

You can't fire it effectively with one hand unless using a butt or a brace.

If your argument was that legislating for gun control in the USA is difficult because of competing interests and pushback against regulations then I think most people in this thread would accept and agree with you.

It’s still not a pistol though.

Sadly, the law disagrees with you.

When YOU write US gun laws, we can all agree with YOU.

Quandary, huh?!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

might be a silly question, but do you have to have a yearly service on these weapons as you said you haven't used one of the guns in over a year ?

There is no “MOT” for a gun. It all depends on the person who owns it.

I clean them about every quarter (3mos), although I clean whatever I shoot after shooting it.

Regular cleaning takes 5-10mins, once you know what you’re doing.

And, contrary to popular belief, oil is more of an enemy to most handguns, than friend, as it helps COLLECT debris. It’s far more important to store weapons in a dry location than soak it in oil to “protect” it. A literal DROP of oil on key parts is often too much, so you put the oil on lint-free cloth and rub it on those parts.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Sadly, the law disagrees with you.

When YOU write US gun laws, we can all agree with YOU.

Quandary, huh?!

And the ATF who enforces the law disagree with you. This really is a dishonest argument for you to make.

The USA is full of lawyers creatively abusing or getting around the remit of legislation, advising disruptor companies or creating new racketeering industries
e. g. patent trolling.

Only one of us in this discussion has a law degree and it isn't you. So please don't insult mine and other posters' intelligence with this dishonest bullshit.

It’s a rifle or a carbine. It is not a pistol just because gun companies have lobbied corrupt law makers or lawyers have creatively widened the scope of what a pistol is.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

You managed to not answer either of my two questions really.

Ah, my apologies. As you can see, I’m answering about 10 posts per day on this topic! ;-)

Why have 3 weapons if it's purely for 'home defence'? Surely if 1 isn't sufficient then you're fucked anyway?

The .40cal was for home defence and was purchased because I had free access to ammo for practice.

Now Im back flying international, I rely on air marshalls for cockpit protection, so I relinquished my service weapon.

That led to me purchasing the G19 (9mm), because not only us .40cal ammo harder to find in IL, but 9mm is cheaper.

The stopping power, based on the ammo you choose, is basically the same, to the point that the Feds are going to 9mm for servicemen and law enforcement.

The G43 (also 9mm) is specifically for concealed carry, if out and about, especially in the country, where help is not always at hand and not everyone who does stop is necessarily there to help you.

The G19 isn’t SO large (it’s a compact) that I couldn’t use it, but it’s much harder to conceal on your person, especially in warmer weather where you don’t wear layers.

If only using at the range then I'd guess a lockbox is fine and wouldn't require a 'concealed carry' permit? Or is it still required in that instance?

Concealed carry is not required for transportation, but a minimum of a “multi step process” before it could be used is required.

Most people transport it either unloaded, loaded magazine out of the gun, AND in a lock box or their car boot.

I hope that helps.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

So, if I don’t have a 3 or 5 yr old, and keep my guns locked up, I qualify, right?

Btw, what’s important to me is that the guns are safely secured and I follow the law….not what people on BM have to say about that.

Do I STILL qualify?

P.S. Your example is, literally, the definition of a NON-responsible gun owner, so how can you promote otherwise?

But they always 'claim' to be responsible until they are proved otherwise by a tragic death.

Really?

THAT’s “the reason”?

Think about it for a minute and get back to me.

You tell me what you think the reason is then?

Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home - PubMed (nih.gov)

 

[ChicagoBlue]

And the ATF who enforces the law disagree with you. This really is a dishonest argument for you to make.

The USA is full of lawyers creatively abusing or getting around the remit of legislation, advising disruptor companies or creating new racketeering industries
e. g. patent trolling.

Only one of us in this discussion has a law degree and it isn't you. So please don't insult mine and other posters' intelligence with this dishonest bullshit.

It’s a rifle or a carbine. It is not a pistol just because gun companies have lobbied corrupt law makers or lawyers have creatively widened the scope of what a pistol is.

Then, why are they not illegal, Mr Law Degree?

I’m not even ATTEMPTING to parse the law, merely stating what is and isn’t being done to GET AROUND THE LAWS AS WRITTEN!

So, tell us ALL why there is a barrel length limit and why?

Then, tell us WHY it is illegal to have a firearm with a shorter barrel UNDER THE LAW!

I don’t WRITE OR INTERPRET the laws, I simply go by what being allowed in the courts, ATF desires notwithstanding.

Because there aren’t many Yanks on here, and even fewer desiring to get into gun discussions, it appears I become the focal point for Brit (and done Yank!) ire regarding the laws.

I don’t write them, I only adhere to them. Whatever YOU OR OTHERS think that makes me seems kind of personal.

As always, feel free to correct facts stated in error. However, your personal opinions, or the desires of the ATF seem irrelevant to the FACTS of the matter, don’t they?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

But they always 'claim' to be responsible until they are proved otherwise by a tragic death.

Claims and facts are often mutually exclusive.

You tell me what you think the reason is then?

I see you have chosen NOT to think about your assertion for even the briefest moment and have, instead, gone to the Internet to grab statistics that say nothing about your assertion.

Think about how many homes with guns are broken into, or homeowners who use guns against home invaders. I hope that helps…