Today's shooting in America thread

[Grassland Blue]

Why would they do that? No one in America who owns a gun doesn’t need another one. Ask those who own. The sky’s the limit on the market, and many pesky restrictions will be lifted across the board. Whoopee!

Maybe we can expand our chocolate-flavored vape business over there though. You’ve got some kids unaddicted to nicotine as of yet, right?

The question is 'How much profit is enough?'
Show me a business that doesn't want to increase sales, wherever that may be.
Regarding guns and other weapons, it will be just the same (re sales) I believe.

 

[Jazzyblue]

As the U.K. becomes ever more Americanised, my concern is that their gun manufacturers will seek a new market here.
For those who think it can't/won't happen, consider the creeping privatisation of OUR N.H.S.
Everything is for sale to the highest bidder (briber?) by this lying, immoral, law breaking shower which we have the absolute and utter misfortune to be governed by.

If it were any other industry I'd agree with you. But the reason why the gun debate is so fraught in the US is because of the underlying philosophy that the state shouldn't have the monopoly on force, that an armed citizenry protects the individual from an overbearing state, and that the gun is the last defence of liberty.

There's no way the lying, immoral, law breaking shower which we have the absolute and utter misfortune to be governed by would ever want to give up the legal monopoly they have - as the state - on force or violence. Few governments would, quite apart from the public health concern, it's a quirk of the American constitution which means even though gun ownership causes such death, injury and misery, it's baked in to their idea of freedom.

The possible fallout from Russia-Ukraine could be the greater firearms risk. There's a long history of weapons from combat zones and Eastern Bloc countries washing up on UK shores with catastrophic results.

 

[domalino]

But the reason why the gun debate is so fraught in the US is because of the underlying philosophy that the state shouldn't have the monopoly on force, that an armed citizenry protects the individual from an overbearing state, and that the gun is the last defence of liberty.

Haha no, the reason the gun debate is so fraught in the US is because the NRA pumped billions and billions of gun manufacturer and Russian money into making it a wedge issue, throwing money at politicians that would accept their backwards delusional reimagining of the constitution.

Before 1990 it was barely an issue.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Haha no, the reason the gun debate is so fraught is because the NRA pumped billions and billions of gun manufacturer and Russian money into making it a wedge issue, throwing money at politicians that would accept their backwards delusional reimagining of the constitution and spending as much as it took to make their opposition get branded traitors.

Before 1990 it was barely an issue.

Wayne LaPierre used the NRA as a 'personal piggy bank,' N.Y. attorney general says (nbcnews.com)

 

[Jazzyblue]

Haha no, the reason the gun debate is so fraught in the US is because the NRA pumped billions and billions of gun manufacturer and Russian money into making it a wedge issue, throwing money at politicians that would accept their backwards delusional reimagining of the constitution.

Before 1990 it was barely an issue.

True. But they wouldn't have been able to do that if it weren't for the Second Amendment, which is a lot older than 1990.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Which Senators Have Taken the Most NRA Money? | Brady (bradyunited.org)

I bet you don't need a second guess as to the members of which party received all the cash....

 

[domalino]

True. But they wouldn't have been able to do that if it weren't for the Second Amendment, which is a lot older than 1990.

The 2nd Ammendment was around in 1968 when the Gun Control Act banned the sale of all guns without a sporting use, and in 1994 when Clinton banned the sale of semi-automatic assault weapons.

The real issue is the Federalist society and their gang of bullshit, hypocritical wankers trying to impose the laws of the 1700's on everyone else. That started in the mid 1980's, before that the idea that we should try to base modern life off imagining what a bunch of rich white male slave owners from the 18th century would think of modern issues would get you laughed out of the building.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Why would they? They’ve already won. They’ll win further after NYSPRA vs Bruen when all state concealed carry laws are eviscerated.

Hopefully we can all bring them on planes and into schools soon.

If teachers had them, Sandy Hook, if it even happened, wouldn’t have happened!!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

If teachers had them, Sandy Hook, if it even happened, wouldn’t have happened!!

The teachers would be the first ones to die, followed by everyone else in the classroom before help eventually arrived.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Some bloke has run amok with an air rifle in Greater Manchester apparently. Police don't know the motive but witnesses report the man shouting something about not getting a refund and a crooked shopkeeper overcharging him!

That’s ok, he had his bike outside.