Today's shooting in America thread

domalino said:
The guy who ended this, Jacob Albarado, was getting a haircut, got texted by his wife (a teacher at the school) borrowed the barbers shotgun, drove to the school, unlocked the door and killed the kid.

All while dozens (70+) of Uvalde police were sitting around listening to him slaughter kids and teachers for an hour.

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The barber had a shotgun. In work? One way to ensure a good tip.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
You just illustrated the MAIN REASON most homeowners who quietly have a gun at home own them!

Change “school” to “home,” where you have no other alternative, and you are there! And, everyone knows, or has seen, someone who has been burgled (often called “home invasion” here) by someone wielding a firearm.

I’m not ADVOCATING for anything, only trying to illuminate the discussion amongst a large group who are not marinated in the gun culture in America, and struggle to understand the mentality it creates amongst Americans in general.
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Puts it into stark reality. I'm sitting on my sofa in Manchester having a beer and cannot imagine having a gun next to me. Shows at least how we got something right over here after Dunblane.
 
MCFC_ Phil said:
Puts it into stark reality. I'm sitting on my sofa in Manchester having a beer and cannot imagine having a gun next to me. Shows at least how we got something right over here after Dunblane.
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I know of no-one, outside of some drug den in a movie, who “sits on the sofa with a gun next to me,” but that would be a bad mix…Beer & guns!

As I’ve said repeatedly, I’d be just fine with a prohibition on all AR-style weapons in the hands of the public. Problem is, you can turn a semi-automatic handgun (the most popular kind by far) into an AR-type semi-automatic shoulder stock type weapon with a 3D printer or cheap plastic parts from the internet.

I hope “this time” it will be different, but (as I posted above from the Republican Governor of Ohio) I don’t think it will on guns, only throwing tax money at better “school safety” and arming MORE people, not less!

To be honest, I think many people are afraid…not of being shot, but if the civil war that might break out if strict gun laws were passed and law enforcement was tasked with confiscation where compliance was lacking.

Firstly, many, many, many police officers would quit or simply not enforce the law, because they’re 2A proponents! Indeed, many Americans believe policing in America is becoming more paramilitarized BECAUSE officers have right wing views, have no problem with tyranny as long as they’re on the side of the tyrant, and are guns & ammo fetishists!

Secondly, there’s a concern that IF gun prohibition became the law, some law-abiding people would suddenly become criminals because they wouldn’t want to give up their firearms. This silent minority might be larger than many people think, as it’s pretty easy to hide firearms, especially considering g you need a warrant to even enter a home uninvited in most instances.

The whole thing FEELS intractable to the point that even dozens of school kids getting massacred by a teenaged nut job only moves the needle for a news cycle.

And, Bluemoon can personalize it until the cows come home, but even shooting the President only led to TEMPORARY restrictions on assault-style weapons!!!

It’s not INDIVIDUALS, like me, willing to try to explain the whys and why nots, that are the issue, it’s the collective will of the politicians, in their gerrymandered political strongholds. They can, and will, deflect from the central problem…guns in society…until the furor subsides and we all go back to baby formula, Ukraine, inflation, Musk buying Twitter or whatever the fuck ELSE they can blanket the 24/7/365 news with!

Yep, it’s fucked.
American exceptionalism lives…it’s just not what Americans THINK it is when they parrot it!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I know of no-one, outside of some drug den in a movie, who “sits on the sofa with a gun next to me,” but that would be a bad mix…Beer & guns!

As I’ve said repeatedly, I’d be just fine with a prohibition on all AR-style weapons in the hands of the public. Problem is, you can turn a semi-automatic handgun (the most popular kind by far) into an AR-type semi-automatic shoulder stock type weapon with a 3D printer or cheap plastic parts from the internet.

I hope “this time” it will be different, but (as I posted above from the Republican Governor of Ohio) I don’t think it will on guns, only throwing tax money at better “school safety” and arming MORE people, not less!

To be honest, I think many people are afraid…not of being shot, but if the civil war that might break out if strict gun laws were passed and law enforcement was tasked with confiscation where compliance was lacking.

Firstly, many, many, many police officers would quit or simply not enforce the law, because they’re 2A proponents! Indeed, many Americans believe policing in America is becoming more paramilitarized BECAUSE officers have right wing views, have no problem with tyranny as long as they’re on the side of the tyrant, and are guns & ammo fetishists!

Secondly, there’s a concern that IF gun prohibition became the law, some law-abiding people would suddenly become criminals because they wouldn’t want to give up their firearms. This silent minority might be larger than many people think, as it’s pretty easy to hide firearms, especially considering g you need a warrant to even enter a home uninvited in most instances.

The whole thing FEELS intractable to the point that even dozens of school kids getting massacred by a teenaged nut job only moves the needle for a news cycle.

And, Bluemoon can personalize it until the cows come home, but even shooting the President only led to TEMPORARY restrictions on assault-style weapons!!!

It’s not INDIVIDUALS, like me, willing to try to explain the whys and why nots, that are the issue, it’s the collective will of the politicians, in their gerrymandered political strongholds. They can, and will, deflect from the central problem…guns in society…until the furor subsides and we all go back to baby formula, Ukraine, inflation, Musk buying Twitter or whatever the fuck ELSE they can blanket the 24/7/365 news with!

Yep, it’s fucked.
American exceptionalism lives…it’s just not what Americans THINK it is when they parrot it!
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My conflict with this post is that it displays an odd lack of empathy not just for the victims, but for non-gunowners and those fearful of gun violence generally. It saddens me as we agree on so much else about the landscape of America.

The second paragraph, for instance, states a personal view, and then offers up a sham barrier to such a change. The arguments I'm making are for precisely such barriers -- and a lot more of them -- knowing full well some will get around them, but fewer than get around them now that the barriers are low. And that's the point. So why is this a "problem"?

Here, you -- who know more about guns than the rest of us -- aren't offering ideas and solutions, you're throwing up potential problems and barriers to ideas and solutions and calling them context and information, but the implication is that such issues are intractable. My suggestion is — if you think something won't work, fine, but then offer up something you think will. If it's "nothing", then I’d submit that you aren't just observing the problem, you're part of it, because "nothing" allows you to detach yourself, and brings us right back to this lack of empathy issue. And I don't want to think that.

I recognize that simple "just ban guns", "the nation is crazy", "cancel 2A" etc. reactions from others require some explication as to why blanket solutions/causes won't work pragmatically, which you provide, as do I, as a believer that 2A probably does offer some right to citizens to bear certain arms.

But there's something to be said about this kid waiting until he turned 18 to buy these weapons (so laws DO sometimes work) and something to be said about a police force frightened enough about the weapons the kid might have been carrying that they proceeded with caution at best and inaction at worst, if the reports so far are to be believed (so protection of the innocent by law-abiding gun-toters doesn’t always work even when it’s their job).

Maybe this issue doesn't actually impact you emotionally as it does me as you've just accepted that America is the way it is, and thus being armed, you feel safe and well-trained, and thus your problem is solved on your end. Or maybe political intransigence means you don't have to change anything about how you live your life. I’m not sure.

But I wonder what you would have written about integration of schools and other societal institutions back in the day. Because you could "explain" the exact same fears about the risk of police officers quitting and a risk of civil war (whether those are your fears or not), blame the same politicians vs. individuals, and furrow your brow about the same (white American) exceptionalism.

As you know, just because those risks exist doesn't mean doing the right thing is either wrong, nor impossible. And I also suspect as America ages and changes, citizens and institutions in general will grow to accept those changes, nor will those risks writ large come to pass.
 
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Argue these are small gestures. Argue they’re symbolic. Argue they won’t change a thing. Argue Fox News et al will have a field day. I’m proud of the managers of my local sports teams.

www.cnn.com

San Francisco Giants manager: 'I don't plan on coming out for the anthem going forward until I feel better about the direction of our country' | CNN

San Francisco Giants manager Gabe Kapler told reporters ahead of his team's Friday game against the Cincinnati Reds that he intends to forgo the pregame US national anthem moving forward.
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'I'm tired of the moments of silence,' says Warriors coach Steve Kerr as he makes powerful plea against gun violence | CNN

Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr made an impassioned plea to take stronger action against gun violence in the United States after 19 children and two adults were killed at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas.
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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
'Fuck all the way off...'

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Interestingly enough, the OP of that tweet doesn't realise they didn't buy the weapon, first off and were trained and supervised within the army itself for a highly charged state of war mindset.

Totally different set of circumstances... unless she means she supports the murdering kid's mindset?
 
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